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Post by Seth » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:57 pm

One gun in the right hands at the right moment saves lives:
Man Attempts to Open Fire on Crowd at Movie Theater, Armed Off-Duty Sheriff’s Deputy Drops Him With One Bullet

Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:28pm by Jason Howerton Jason Howerton

Off Duty Sheriffs Deputy Shoots Man Attempting to Open Fire on Crowd at San Antonia Movie Theater

San Antonio Police stand guard near the Mayan 14 Theatres after an incident Sunday night, Dec. 16, 2012. Photo: JOHN DAVENPORT, San Antonio Express-News / San Antonio Express-News

With one shot, an off-duty sheriff’s deputy took down a gunman who attempted to opened fire at a crowded movie theater lobby during a late night showing of “The Hobbit” in San Antonio, WOAI reports.

Police say a gunman, identified as Jesus Manuel Garcia, chased patrons from the nearby China Garden Restaurant into the lobby of the Santikos Mayan 14 movie theater at around 9 p.m. on Sunday. Garcia, an employee of the restaurant, reportedly walked in the establishment looking for a woman.

When the woman, also reportedly a restaurant employee, wasn’t there, Garcia pulled out a gun and attempted to open fire in the restaurant but his weapon jammed.

“It started at the restaurant and then went into the parking lot and then into the movie theater,” Deputy Lou Antu told 1200 WOAI news.

The commotion sent horrified restaurant patrons into the movie theater lobby, but the gunman followed. He again attempted to open fire, and this time his gun didn’t jam. Garcia reportedly shot one man in the chest before Antu says an off-duty sheriff’s deputy working security the theater shot him once, dropping him to the floor.

Bexar County sheriff’s Sgt. Lisa Castellano reportedly chased the gunman toward the back of the theater. The 13-year department veteran cornered him after he ran into a men’s restroom and shot him before taking his gun.

“The officer involved, she took the appropriate action to try to keep everyone safe in the movie theater,” Antu added.

Due to the off-duty deputy’s bravery, the gunman was not able to make it into the theater where he could have potentially taken many lives.

The gunman and the man he shot remain hospitalized, according to WOAI.

Police say a recent breakup set off the man’s shooting spree on Sunday, MySanAntonio.com reports.

Jesus Manuel Garcia, 19, an employee at a China Garden restaurant next to the Santikos Mayan Palace 14 theater, apparently became upset Sunday night after his girlfriend broke up with him.

He lashed out by sending her a message saying he planned to go to the restaurant and “shoot somebody,” said Bexar County sheriff’s Sgt. Raymond Pollard.

Pollard said the woman called to warn restaurant employees, but by the time she saw his message, Garcia was already outside the China Garden firing a Glock 23 at the front door about 9:25 p.m.

If Garcia survives his attempt at mass murder, officials say he will likely face a charge of attempted capital murder as he allegedly shot at the San Antonia police car on Southwest Military Drive as he ran from the restaurant and into the theater.

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Post by Tero » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:15 pm

Right: a man working security. Still no citizen vigilante.

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Post by laklak » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:51 pm

Făkünamę wrote:Gunman was using an AR-15 type weapon and it jammed on him. The design is notorious for being unreliable if not well maintained. Let this be a lesson to would-be gunmen - maintain your weapons.
That's why I went with a Mini 14 for .223. Watch that recoil spring, it will put your eye out.
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Post by mozg » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:40 pm

Tero wrote:Right: a man working security. Still no citizen vigilante.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/early-today/ ... 3#48241073

How bout the 71 year-old man versus the armed robbers at the Internet cafe?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:42 pm

mozg wrote:
Tero wrote:Right: a man working security. Still no citizen vigilante.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/early-today/ ... 3#48241073

How bout the 71 year-old man versus the armed robbers at the Internet cafe?
That was just scary. He fired how many shots and scored how many hits? Spray and pray shit. It's a wonder no bystanders where hit and killed.
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Post by Jason » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:49 pm

laklak wrote:
Făkünamę wrote:Gunman was using an AR-15 type weapon and it jammed on him. The design is notorious for being unreliable if not well maintained. Let this be a lesson to would-be gunmen - maintain your weapons.
That's why I went with a Mini 14 for .223. Watch that recoil spring, it will put your eye out.
I'd stick with good ol' Russian reliability personally. AK-74SU would do very nicely.

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Post by mozg » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:09 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
mozg wrote:
Tero wrote:Right: a man working security. Still no citizen vigilante.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/early-today/ ... 3#48241073

How bout the 71 year-old man versus the armed robbers at the Internet cafe?
That was just scary. He fired how many shots and scored how many hits? Spray and pray shit. It's a wonder no bystanders where hit and killed.
The only person he hit was one of the armed robbers. Pretty damn successful.
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mozg wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
mozg wrote:
Tero wrote:Right: a man working security. Still no citizen vigilante.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/early-today/ ... 3#48241073

How bout the 71 year-old man versus the armed robbers at the Internet cafe?
That was just scary. He fired how many shots and scored how many hits? Spray and pray shit. It's a wonder no bystanders where hit and killed.
The only person he hit was one of the armed robbers. Pretty damn lucky.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:15 pm

mozg wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
mozg wrote:
Tero wrote:Right: a man working security. Still no citizen vigilante.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/early-today/ ... 3#48241073

How bout the 71 year-old man versus the armed robbers at the Internet cafe?
That was just scary. He fired how many shots and scored how many hits? Spray and pray shit. It's a wonder no bystanders where hit and killed.
The only person he hit was one of the armed robbers. Pretty damn successful.
One hit. Ayaan could do better than that right now.
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Post by mozg » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:22 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The only person he hit was one of the armed robbers. Pretty damn successful.
One hit. Ayaan could do better than that right now.[/quote]

At a target range, under no stress, with non-moving targets, sure. So can I.

In that situation, I doubt it.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:23 pm

mozg wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The only person he hit was one of the armed robbers. Pretty damn successful.
One hit. Ayaan could do better than that right now.
At a target range, under no stress, with non-moving targets, sure. So can I.

In that situation, I doubt it.[/quote]
You don't know the lady. I think she'd be cold as ice during the event and a total basket case when it was okay to do so.

As for me, I'm still a damn good shot, they would have been ended.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You don't know the lady. I think she'd be cold as ice during the event and a total basket case when it was okay to do so.

As for me, I'm still a damn good shot, they would have been ended.
That's what we all practice and train for, and how we hope it'll go if we're ever in that situation.

But when the adrenaline is pumping and you have limited seconds to do what you're going to do, how many people are going to get a 100% hit percentage? Not very damn many.
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mozg wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You don't know the lady. I think she'd be cold as ice during the event and a total basket case when it was okay to do so.

As for me, I'm still a damn good shot, they would have been ended.
That's what we all practice and train for, and how we hope it'll go if we're ever in that situation.

But when the adrenaline is pumping and you have limited seconds to do what you're going to do, how many people are going to get a 100% hit percentage? Not very damn many.
All I can say is I'm still alive.
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mozg wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You don't know the lady. I think she'd be cold as ice during the event and a total basket case when it was okay to do so.

As for me, I'm still a damn good shot, they would have been ended.
That's what we all practice and train for, and how we hope it'll go if we're ever in that situation.

But when the adrenaline is pumping and you have limited seconds to do what you're going to do, how many people are going to get a 100% hit percentage? Not very damn many.
How many concealed carry holders train and practice? Never mind under stress. Never mind the sort of strenuous training police officers go through on a regular basis.

How many of those missed shots are likely to wound or injure an innocent bystander?

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:18 pm

Combat courses are available, and quite a bit of fun. Whether or not the carrier takes the opportunity is up to them.
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