Carrying guns leads to confrontations....

[Jason]

I've stuffed a few netherholes in my time and you got a purty mouth.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Personal experience. I carried a gun officially for years and only used it once. I was involved in several encounters in that time, all of which were solved in my favor, but just the one time actually using a piece.

[Jason]

So the gun caused all those confrontations and only solved one proving guns ARE the problem once and for all.

[Tero]

OK,pops.

I just keep seeing claims if gun benefits. I don't see the cause and effect.

That's because, despite being shown dozens of examples of gun benefits, you simply ignore the evidence and are willfully blind. Perhaps you'll get mugged one day and have to watch your wife or daughter be raped as you sit there with a gun to your head wishing that there is someone like me around to help you. Then maybe you'll have a glimmer of understanding what's at stake and just how well the police are going to protect you.

No, you have not shown cause and effect. There is no direct evidence that the hidden gun inside the pocket, that never comes out, helps the general public. Evil doers need income so they will always find ways.

[Jason]

OK,pops.

I just keep seeing claims if gun benefits. I don't see the cause and effect.

That's because, despite being shown dozens of examples of gun benefits, you simply ignore the evidence and are willfully blind. Perhaps you'll get mugged one day and have to watch your wife or daughter be raped as you sit there with a gun to your head wishing that there is someone like me around to help you. Then maybe you'll have a glimmer of understanding what's at stake and just how well the police are going to protect you.

No, you have not shown cause and effect. There is no direct evidence that the hidden gun inside the pocket, that never comes out, helps the general public. Evil doers need income so they will always find ways.

The gun inside the pocket that never comes out (sad little gay gun) deters the criminal with the gun inside his pocket that does come out (happy little gay gun) from letting it come out quite as often because he knows someone else has a gun that would like to come out and he's against gay gunsex.

[Tero]

That just requires body language. All I would need is a black gun shaped object to pull out if needed. I walk out without my dummy gun, then I would need to avoid a lot of neighborhoods.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So the gun caused all those confrontations and only solved one proving guns ARE the problem once and for all.

If you were referring to my post, DAFUQ?

[Jason]

So the gun caused all those confrontations and only solved one proving guns ARE the problem once and for all.

If you were referring to my post, DAFUQ?

DAFUQ - that's it exactly.

I'm adopting a new tactic - it's called argue like an anti-gun nut ( aka a nonsensical fucking idiot).

[Seth]

OK,pops.

I just keep seeing claims if gun benefits. I don't see the cause and effect.

That's because, despite being shown dozens of examples of gun benefits, you simply ignore the evidence and are willfully blind. Perhaps you'll get mugged one day and have to watch your wife or daughter be raped as you sit there with a gun to your head wishing that there is someone like me around to help you. Then maybe you'll have a glimmer of understanding what's at stake and just how well the police are going to protect you.

No, you have not shown cause and effect. There is no direct evidence that the hidden gun inside the pocket, that never comes out, helps the general public. Evil doers need income so they will always find ways.

Indeed. But the deterrent effect of concealed carry, while an important part of the whole program, is not the only or most important reason for concealed carry to be lawful. As you said, my gun protects me. Whether it protects anyone else is entirely beside the point, because I have an unalienable right to protect myself, as does every other person on the planet, so for that reason, and that reason alone, concealed carry should be lawful worldwide so that each individual can decide for themselves whether they wish to go about armed or not.

What has been shown, to the severe detriment of your argument, is that licensed concealed carry in the 40 US states that allow it has not resulted in HIGHER gun crime rates or MORE gun related accidents than in those who do not. Exactly the opposite has been shown to be the truth, with licensed persons being much, much less likely to be involved in ANY sort of criminality than even the general public.

Therefore, you cannot make a rational argument that lawful concealed carry is a danger to you, or to the public, or poses an undue risk to anyone other than a criminal assailant who unwisely chooses to try to victimize an armed citizen.

Since my (or any other law-abiding citizen's) carrying of a concealed handgun does not increase any risk factors you might face, it is specious nonsense for you to object to them doing so, and in so complaining you are arrogantly stating that your sense of comfort is more important than their physical safety. It's not.

[Seth]

That just requires body language. All I would need is a black gun shaped object to pull out if needed. I walk out without my dummy gun, then I would need to avoid a lot of neighborhoods.

Maybe. Then again there's the 30-something percent of the time when just displaying the firearm doesn't deter the criminal and you actually have to shoot them to save your life. That's what's so great about handguns, they work at several different deterrent levels and can be useful in deterring crime merely by their presence, or by their presence coupled with a verbal threat, or they can be used to shoot an attacker dead (or wound him sufficiently to thwart the attack) if that's what's called for as a last resort.

Your dummy gun might work for a dummy, but if you end up needing to shoot someone, it'll be useless...except perhaps as a club.

[Toontown]

A bicyclist sees the light at the end of the video

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/06/ ... use_to.php

[JimC]

Personal experience. I carried a gun officially for years and only used it once. I was involved in several encounters in that time, all of which were solved in my favor, but just the one time actually using a piece.

Official (i.e. law enforcement/military) use is a completely different issue, and has only a tenuous connection to the carrying of guns by civilians...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Personal experience. I carried a gun officially for years and only used it once. I was involved in several encounters in that time, all of which were solved in my favor, but just the one time actually using a piece.

Official (i.e. law enforcement/military) use is a completely different issue, and has only a tenuous connection to the carrying of guns by civilians...

I was always armed in those days, We used to get death threats from family and/or friends of the deserters we arrested.

[JimC]

Personal experience. I carried a gun officially for years and only used it once. I was involved in several encounters in that time, all of which were solved in my favor, but just the one time actually using a piece.

Official (i.e. law enforcement/military) use is a completely different issue, and has only a tenuous connection to the carrying of guns by civilians...

I was always armed in those days, We used to get death threats from family and/or friends of the deserters we arrested.

And fair enough too, but still a different context to Joe Civilian having a gun, since the threats were in connection to your military police activities, I gather...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Personal experience. I carried a gun officially for years and only used it once. I was involved in several encounters in that time, all of which were solved in my favor, but just the one time actually using a piece.

Official (i.e. law enforcement/military) use is a completely different issue, and has only a tenuous connection to the carrying of guns by civilians...

I was always armed in those days, We used to get death threats from family and/or friends of the deserters we arrested.

And fair enough too, but still a different context to Joe Civilian having a gun, since the threats were in connection to your military police activities, I gather...

Yeah, somebody figured out who worked in my unit and located our home addresses. Quite a bit of work in the late '80s, pre-Internet. We only had one case we suspected was related, a female sailor's home was invaded and defaced with spray paint. We moved her the next morning after the cops got a good look and pictures.

However, I had been routinely armed before the threats started arriving, on duty and off. It was the first time I'd packed since 1981, mostly because I wasn't in the US, full time anyway, for over four years.