27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

[Gallstones]

Have you never known the pleasure of stroking a gun? Oiling it. Rubbing it. Thrusting your cleaning brush down the barrel rhythmically while the solvent spurts in your face. Getting into all the tight areas so you completely service it. It's a sensual experience. Practically orgasmic.

A lot like waxing your car that you love.

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Don't forget the aromas of solvents and oil and warm metal.

[Ian]

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I might say that if the best response you can think of is a poster, then the argument has become too polarised to bother with.

Not my best response at all, just one of many I've given obviously. But what are the pro-gun types worried about since Friday? Barack Osama and them Demoncrats comin' ta get ther guns. Worried about yet another repeat of Sandy Hook? Their solution is to hire more armed guards for schools (we'll just ignore the tax implications of that for now) and coax the elementary school teachers to start packing heat. They wouldn't understand the reality that most people deal with if it shot them with an AR-15 Bushmaster.

[Blind groper]

I have a job.

About 8% of the population of the USA is unemployed. if you have a job, you are not poor.

[Gallstones]

Like I said in the Amendment thread, you can have 100 muskets if you like, Gallstones. That's what the amendment gave you:



showing the small gun so you can try to conceal it easily.

No it isn't.
It guaranteed us arms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Ame ... nstitution

In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

As passed by the Congress:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]

Your suggestion looks like a reproduction. Probably decorative and inoperable.

[Gallstones]

I have a job.

About 8% of the population of the USA is unemployed. if you have a job, you are not poor.

Fuck you. I'm not going down this road with you.
My financial circumstances or how I access the internet are none of your business.

[Gallstones]

How do you justify the handgun you own, not being militia and all?

Pragmatism. I don't want to own the thing. I don't love it, and I don't ever want to even fire it. I bought it because thanks to the NRA and gun-loving paranoid types everywhere, there is a flood of guns per capita in the US, far ahead of any other country. I consider it potential insurance against a home invasion, not insurance of my freedom from the government. If I could be assured that gun ownership in the US was plummeting, I'd be thrilled to get rid of it.

You might think that's hypocrisy. If you do, then suck my ass. It's because of the ubiquity of guns which people like you and Seth not only cherish but perpetuate through your politics that I felt compelled to go out and buy the thing.

Oh, I see, it's someone else's fault and you are holding it against your will.
I wouldn't suck your ass if it was made of chocolate.

Lame.

[orpheus]

How do you justify the handgun you own, not being militia and all?

Pragmatism. I don't want to own the thing. I don't love it, and I don't ever want to even fire it. I bought it because thanks to the NRA and gun-loving paranoid types everywhere, there is a flood of guns per capita in the US, far ahead of any other country. I consider it potential insurance against a home invasion, not insurance of my freedom from the government. If I could be assured that gun ownership in the US was plummeting, I'd be thrilled to get rid of it.

You might think that's hypocrisy. If you do, then suck my ass. It's because of the ubiquity of guns which people like you and Seth not only cherish but perpetuate through your politics that I felt compelled to go out and buy the thing.

I don't own a gun, but I've contemplated getting one - for precisely this reason. What you've just posted is the only thing I know of that could compel me to get one. I came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth all the risks involved. (Not the least of which, I have to say, is what would happen to me if I ever did have to shoot someone. I cannot envision anything afterward for me except a life of internal psychological misery.)

[Ian]

Oh, I see, it's someone else's fault and you are holding it against your will.
I wouldn't suck your ass if it was made of chocolate.

Lame.

I never said I wanted the 2nd Amendment repealed, though it certainly wouldn't bug me if it was. I just want far, far more restrcitions on what guns are available and who has access to them.

The status quo is a goddamn disgrace. Don't tell me you can look at Sandy Hook and think otherwise.

[Jason]

Just owning a gun is pretty pointless. At the very least you have to be trained how to use it and practice with it at least once a month.

[Tero]

Everyone knows that rifles, pistols, and shotguns are “arms,” but what about other weapons like clubs, knives, swords, artillery, bombs, missiles, or weapons of mass destruction?1 Although this question sounds silly at first, Larry Arnn of the Claremont Institute once remarked that if the courts interpreted the Second Amendment as they do the First Amendment, we would all have the right to own nuclear weapons.

Almost all the types of weapons listed in the NFA are easily man-portable, except for some rockets, missiles, bombs and mines that would presumably qualify as “destructive devices” but which weigh too much to be easily carried by one person.

http://brainshavings.com/the-right-to-k ... bear-what/

just to be ón the safe side of carrying arms, we will give you a horse and buggy as well

[Ian]

Just owning a gun is pretty pointless. At the very least you have to be trained how to use it and practice with it at least once a month.

I'm a qualified expert. Practice once a month? Even if I had the time, I wouldn't deign to do that. Call me careless, but I doubt my skills are going to degrade too much for my purposes.

[Gallstones]

Oh, I see, it's someone else's fault and you are holding it against your will.
I wouldn't suck your ass if it was made of chocolate.

Lame.

I never said I wanted the 2nd Amendment repealed, though it certainly wouldn't bug me if it was. I just want far, far more restrcitions on what guns are available and who has access to them.

The status quo is a goddamn disgrace. Don't tell me you can look at Sandy Hook and think otherwise.

Don't implicate me with that.

[Ian]

Oh, I see, it's someone else's fault and you are holding it against your will.
I wouldn't suck your ass if it was made of chocolate.

Lame.

I never said I wanted the 2nd Amendment repealed, though it certainly wouldn't bug me if it was. I just want far, far more restrcitions on what guns are available and who has access to them.

The status quo is a goddamn disgrace. Don't tell me you can look at Sandy Hook and think otherwise.

Don't implicate me with that.

Okay, if you think status quo has produced unacceptable results, let's hear some suggestions for what needs to be changed.

[Jason]

Just owning a gun is pretty pointless. At the very least you have to be trained how to use it and practice with it at least once a month.

I'm a qualified expert. Practice once a month? Even if I had the time, I wouldn't deign to do that. Call me careless, but I doubt my skills are going to degrade too much for my purposes.

They will degrade regardless. I'm sure you'll always be more prepared than someone who has never been trained, but I'd have doubts about my skills if I didn't keep them practised.

[Ian]

Me too. But I wouldn't be shooting at anything smaller than a person within twenty feet. I'm not talking advanced infantry skills required here.