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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:59 am

Făkünamę wrote:I meant you're a chemist, not that you make bombs. Sheesh.
It's not even chemistry, mostly craft at times.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Jason » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:14 am

Blind groper wrote:To Faku

Who wants to know what gun culture is. Obviously not anything simple, just as it is not possible to simply describe what Scottish culture is. I cannot describe it completely in a few words, but the following is a start.

It begins with the belief that everyone has a "right" laid down by some deity or other, to possess firearms. It includes the belief that firearms are somehow good. It includes the concept of the gun killer as hero, instead of villain as is a more proper perception. It includes the idea of guns as problem solvers instead of problem creators, which is the reality. In other words, it is a load of bullshit.
Is that all?

1) The right to bear arms
2) Belief that guns are 'good'
3) Belief that Killing with guns is heroic
4) Belief in guns as problem solvers

Nothing more to add?

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:19 am

We love shootings!
Whenever a Liberal wants to be a control freak, they evoke the safety of children.

So if some idiot fails to lock up his guns an a kid shoots themselves...no one should be allowed guns.

If some kid gets shot by underage gang bangers - no one should be allowed guns.

And Liberals LOVE school shootings. If an emo teen steals some guns & shoots up their classmates this is pure gold. The people who raised the teen NEVER to blame, in fact they are victims & it's important NOT to victimize them further. As always the gun is to blame.

You must also stress that he second Amendment is somehow about sport hunting (not politition hunting) and thus not applicable to today.

Got it? Abuse destroys use. People are stupid. So anything remotely dangerous should be restricted to use by government approved professionals - always for the sake of the children of course.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Jason » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:27 am

The issue of gun control distracts us from the real issues of morality and why so many people feel it is appropriate to use guns to commit violent acts.

That is why guns are bad - they become a scapegoat for what really ails us.
This guy gets close, but still misses.
The issue of gun control distracts us from the real issues of morality and why so many people commit violent acts.

That is why guns are bad - they become a scapegoat for what really ails us.
That's closer.

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Gallstones » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:39 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:Indeed, XC. I'm repulsed to live in a society that thinks that these are acceptable anomalies. Every fucking time it happens, over and over.
I don't think society at large thinks these incidents are acceptable.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Gallstones » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:41 am

Animavore wrote:I thought the argument went that an armed society is a polite society? Why doesn't the thought of getting shot back at deter these people?
A lot of logic fail in there.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Gallstones » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:43 am

Tero wrote:It's teh gun culture.
It's the inadequate state of the art of diagnosing and treating mental illness along with rage and desparation.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Gallstones » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:45 am

odysseus wrote:
Gerald McGrew wrote:Apparently going down in a movie-esque, blaze of glory, hail of bullets, massacre-type way is the "thing to do" among psychotics and demented sociopaths. A study of this phenomenon I read a while ago noted that oftentimes these shooters have felt persecuted and/or neglected by society for much of their lives, so when they decide to commit suicide, they figure they might as well go out and become infamous at the same time.
This ^^^^ The wanker got his revenge on society and his '15 minutes of fame' and then some. Merry fucking Christmas. :(
Preliminary appearance makes it look more like extracting revenge on his mother.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Gallstones » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:46 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:Which is someone more likely to pick up impulsively and use?
Their fists.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Gallstones » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:47 am

Scrumple wrote:Technological advances on the not too distant horizon could allow impulsivity to mesh with easily obtainable massive household energies. :coffee:

Like convection ovens and vacuums?
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Gallstones » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:52 am

Scrumple wrote:Violence in the media entrains the susceptible into these ways of thinking. Face it, American media resolves a lack of clever story makers by special effects and blowing things up.
So, you folks in the UK and Europe don't watch any US produced movies or TV like The Dark Night, it's just Barney the Dinosaur? Or are your psyches immune?

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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by SteveB » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:00 am

Dark Knight, jeez.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Blind groper » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:00 am

Făkünamę wrote: Is that all?

1) The right to bear arms
2) Belief that guns are 'good'
3) Belief that Killing with guns is heroic
4) Belief in guns as problem solvers

Nothing more to add?
Of course that is not all. I said that was just a start. You cannot describe a culture in a few words. American gun culture includes so many facets, and none of them good.

However, you can begin with the second amendment. The so-called 'right' to bear arms. The USA is the only nation on planet Earth to believe that shit. There is no divine right to bear arms. The American government of the time found it expedient to encourage people to own weapons, and that decision has led on to a whole lot of unhealthy attitudes ever since.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Gallstones » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:04 am

Scrumple wrote:It's always the quiet ones who blow up. Bet he was a quiet one?...keeping himself to himself, listening to his own jack and evolving into his own beast. :coffee:
And getting no effective medical or social help with that inner obsession and turmoil.
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Re: 27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

Post by Twoflower » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:07 am

Gallstones wrote:
Scrumple wrote:It's always the quiet ones who blow up. Bet he was a quiet one?...keeping himself to himself, listening to his own jack and evolving into his own beast. :coffee:
And getting no effective medical or social help with that inner obsession and turmoil.
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And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
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