White Male Victims: Boo-Fucking-Hoo

[Coito ergo sum]

There's something wrong with cybersex? Sorry you feel that way.

[Coito ergo sum]

But, maybe the classic is the TV series Happy Days. I mean -- all the chicks fell for The Fonz. All he had to do was stand there in front of the juke box and chicks would swarm around him two at a time.

Those perpetually poked-out thumbs were clearly trying to make up for something in the trouser department...

Had to figure he was hiding something... lol --

[Bella Fortuna]

The truth Herz?

[Robert_S]

Coito. she has set a lower threshold for "stalkerish" but I don't see where she's actually blatantly used a double standard.

I haven't suggested that she (Hades) used a double standard. We're actually, as far as I'm concerned, just discussing. We only disagreed on one small, very small, point. So, my understanding was we were just kicking the topic around, not really disagreeing.

The example I used of reversing the sex roles was more to illustrate my opposition to the writer of the article's view that Duckie was a predator.

Oh, no. I'm sorry I meant the author of the Nice Guy post. She does actually mention that the mindset applies to both genders.

[Coito ergo sum]

The truth Herz?

If your theory is correct, probably not much... :-)

[Coito ergo sum]

Coito. she has set a lower threshold for "stalkerish" but I don't see where she's actually blatantly used a double standard.

I haven't suggested that she (Hades) used a double standard. We're actually, as far as I'm concerned, just discussing. We only disagreed on one small, very small, point. So, my understanding was we were just kicking the topic around, not really disagreeing.

The example I used of reversing the sex roles was more to illustrate my opposition to the writer of the article's view that Duckie was a predator.

Oh, no. I'm sorry I meant the author of the Nice Guy post. She does actually mention that the mindset applies to both genders.

Carefully worded, yes, but it's clear from the article that this is a male problem. This is something particularly male.

[Robert_S]

Coito. she has set a lower threshold for "stalkerish" but I don't see where she's actually blatantly used a double standard.

I haven't suggested that she (Hades) used a double standard. We're actually, as far as I'm concerned, just discussing. We only disagreed on one small, very small, point. So, my understanding was we were just kicking the topic around, not really disagreeing.

The example I used of reversing the sex roles was more to illustrate my opposition to the writer of the article's view that Duckie was a predator.

Oh, no. I'm sorry I meant the author of the Nice Guy post. She does actually mention that the mindset applies to both genders.

Carefully worded, yes, but it's clear from the article that this is a male problem. This is something particularly male.

There is a clear focus on the male end of the problem. Yes. But given that she's open to the fact that it crosses sexes/genders, I think it is a little hasty to place her in the Pluster camp.

The article was rather heteronormative come to think of it.

[hadespussercats]

You know, I just thought of another "nice guy gets a pass" movie scenario-- "Philadelphia Story"

I know a lot of people who think Katherine Hepburn chose the wrong guy. In fact, I used to be one of them. But then i realized, "Wait. it's a choice between Jimmy Stewart, or getting stupped regularly by Cary Grant. Um. This is a choice?"

Ya see -- there it is! It boils down to the cocks!

That's why human males have the largest cocks relative to their bodies of any primate, because they've been sexually selected by women for cock size. A secondary characteristic of guys with big cocks is confidence. No fear in swinging that thing around if it's bigger than the average, right? So, women equate confidence with a big cock. Ergo, confident men get more tail, because the women are expecting huge cock.

Thus, the "nice guy", if he is lacking in confidence and is hence needy and clingy, this implies to the perusing female a distinct lack of penis.

Extrapolating this to our analysis of the Duckman -- when he is needy and clingy, ringing fire alarms, driving his bike back and forth, he comes across as severely nervous and lacking in confidence. This implies that he would not be comfortable swinging his penis around. Blaine, on the other hand, is rich kid, BMW drivin', confident at other rich people parties. His confidence quotient is exponentially increased, however, because Andy is very nervous and uncomfortable around Blaine, especially in public, because she feels embarrased, etc. So, relatively speaking, Andy unconsciously suspects Blaine's Johnson is gargantuan, with a set of billiard balls to go along with it.

So, using our powers of deduction, we easily see that Duckman will not get in Andy's pants, due the perception that he is hung like an elevator button. Blaine will get to throw her the high hard one, because he is perceived as packing 70 mm Howitzer in his pants.

It's elementary, my dear Hades.

EDIT TO ADD: This also explains why at the end the Duckman suddenly becomes attractive to the blonde hottie whose panties moisten at the mere sight of him. Why? Because dressed like he was at the prom -- with ducktail hairdo, wild and crazy tuxedo, weird "duckman" shoes, and all that -- I mean - to walk into the prom dressed like that -- one would have to have a confidence quotient times 10. Most people would expect to be beaten up if they walked into a high school prom like that. Not the Duckman. He walked in, head held high, and was in full confidence mode as events went down at the prom. So, from the blonde's perspective, she would unconsciously suspect the Duckman would have some serious muscle under the hood. It's evolution in action!

Cary Grant doesn't need a big cock. He's Cary Grant.

Of course, he probably also had a big cock. I don't know for sure, but... he was Cary Grant, after all. The radio on that plane in North by Northwest had to zero in on something.

But I agree with you about confidence being a big turn on. Honestly, I think that might be why some guys think it's (ahem) sexy minxes that get the chicks (have you caught the filter joke yet?)

They're not assholes, necessarily. They're just confident. Maybe even a bit... cocky. That's hot. Especially when it's a genuinely nice guy who's doing it.

[hadespussercats]

But, maybe the classic is the TV series Happy Days. I mean -- all the chicks fell for The Fonz. All he had to do was stand there in front of the juke box and chicks would swarm around him two at a time.

Those perpetually poked-out thumbs were clearly trying to make up for something in the trouser department...

Had to figure he was hiding something... lol --

I thought he was hiding that he was Jewish?

I kid. I kid.
But do you remember him dancing the hora, as though it were the hot new dance craze of the fifties? That was pretty funny.

Now I'm really trying to restrain myself about making a crack about living in the attic above the garage...

[hadespussercats]

You know, I just thought of another "nice guy gets a pass" movie scenario-- "Philadelphia Story"

I know a lot of people who think Katherine Hepburn chose the wrong guy. In fact, I used to be one of them. But then i realized, "Wait. it's a choice between Jimmy Stewart, or getting stupped regularly by Cary Grant. Um. This is a choice?"

LOL -- I was trying to think of some other movies.

What about Princess Bride? Buttercup chooses true love over being a princess! Wesley is the quintessential nice guy! All this "As you wish..." stuff! WTF!? But, I guess nice guys that look like Carey Elwes don't have much trouble with da wominz.

You know what the worst one is, though? Sweet Home Alabama. I mean, can Reese Witherspoon's character be more fickle and horrid? She's hot, of course, which makes it all o.k, but for crying out loud... she couldn't have been more unappealing personalitywise...

But, maybe the classic is the TV series Happy Days. I mean -- all the chicks fell for The Fonz. All he had to do was stand there in front of the juke box and chicks would swarm around him two at a time.

Don't forget he was also the Dread Pirate Roberts. And also, a young Cary Elwes. Who could pretty much do anything to me he wanted.

As you wish, indeed.

[hadespussercats]

Who's Duckie?

This is from a movie, right? I didn't see it. Does that make me privileged or does it make me oppressed?

Well, now, probably privileged. But when you were a teen? Oppressed.

[rachelbean]

Hades, just a quick note to say that I absolutely love what you wrote about Pretty in Pink. It's been a long time favourite of mine, and I've always picked it apart, and it's weird to read your take on it which is so exactly my thoughts. Anyway, I have nothing else helpful or substantial to add to the discussion, I just wanted to say that

They're not assholes, necessarily. They're just confident. Maybe even a bit... cocky. That's hot. Especially when it's a genuinely nice guy who's doing it.

Oh, and also...so much this. I once knew a guy who I thought of as nothing but a really nice guy who I thought was kinda cute (I even imagined this very boring and predictable back-story for him which turned out to be hilariously wrong). He showed balls in a couple (metaphorical) ways and I suddenly found myself really wanting to pounce on him. He's waiting upstairs now, I'll have to write the rest later

[hadespussercats]

If you leave, don't leave now...

Thanks, rachelbean! Oh, and enjoy that cocky man of yours. (Not that you need me to tell you that.)

[Gallstones]

I just noticed this thread. That particular "nice guy" post was addressed by Girl Writes What...

Geezus I loathe that woman.

I'm surprised to see her quoted as often as she is. I don't see the draw.

She makes good videos?

I don't have the attention span for her rambling one note agenda.

But hey, whatever fluffs one's pigeon.

Personally, I'm against men's rights movements in the same way that I'm against women's rights movements... purely, because the choice of gender is an unnecessary one. I'm for human rights movements... and the separation by gender makes as much sense to me as separating rights-activism by eye-colour.

So any "men's rights" movement leaves me all "meh!". Having said that, when comparing the two, the men's rights people (of those that I've seen) are a damned sight more "central" than those vocalising for women's rights movements. In other words, they are much closer to humanists. I just wish that they'd drop the whole gender-bias.

[hadespussercats]

Gallstones wrote: But hey, whatever fluffs one's pigeon.

Even if it's coo coo?