German city dumping OpenOffice for Microsoft

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German city dumping OpenOffice for Microsoft

Post by klr » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:52 am

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/20 ... penoffice/
German city dumping OpenOffice for Microsoft
Freiburg city council called 'clueless'


The city council of Freiburg, Germany has voted to switch the city's productivity software from OpenOffice to Microsoft Office, reversing an open source software policy that has been in place since 2007.

In a move that angered local open source advocates, including council members from the Green and Pirate Parties, the council voted 25 to 20 in favor of standardizing the city's desktops on Microsoft Office 2010, with two abstentions.

"Here was an opportunity missed to strengthen local economies and business while playing a pioneering role in free software," the Freiburg wing of the Pirate Party said in a (robo-translated) press release, calling the council "clueless."

Although Freiburg had been using the open source OpenOffice suite for the past five years, complaints about the software had been mounting, as ITworld reported last Thursday. Users had trouble maintaining document formatting between the OpenOffice applications and Microsoft Office, and OpenOffice's spreadsheet and presentation programs were said to be "underperforming."

But in its press release, the Pirate Party characterized the vote to return to Microsoft as a foregone conclusion, arguing that many council members lacked the technical expertise to understand the issues in the matter and should therefore have abstained from the vote.

Freiburg's transition to open source software was certainly not without its technical problems. Most glaringly, city employees have been stuck using an outdated version of the software, OpenOffice 3.2.1, which is no longer being maintained by its developers.

Future development of the suite is currently split between the LibreOffice project and Apache OpenOffice, each of which is based on a more mature version of the OpenOffice code base than the one Freiburg is using.

What's more, because of the problems involved in integrating OpenOffice with other IT systems, many Freiburg employees have been using the open source suite side-by-side with the even more antiquated Microsoft Office 2000.

As a result of Tuesday's vote, the city will jettison both packages in favor of deploying Office 2010 as the standard suite for all of its employees.

It's not yet clear how the city plans to license the Microsoft software – or whether its license will allow it to upgrade to Office 2013, which is due in the first quarter of next year – but according to the Pirate Party, license costs alone are expected to reach €600,000. In addition, it said, the city council failed to even consider the training costs associated with the upgrade.

Those are all funds that could have been invested in maintaining Freiburg's commitment to open standards, the Pirate Party argued, including upgrading to LibreOffice and training those users who were more accustomed to Microsoft Office to make better use of the suite.

The council, on the other hand, held that Freiburg's IT needs were typical of other German cities, the majority of which have yet to undertake the move to open source. Although OpenOffice is more popular in Germany than in many other countries, a 2010 study found that only 21 per cent of Germans had OpenOffice installed, compared to 72 per cent for Microsoft Office.

Assuming its budget for the switch is approved, Freiburg's transition to Microsoft Office could begin as soon as the middle of 2013.
Enjoy MS Office 2013 and Windows 8 folks. I hope the hardware doesn't need replacing at well.

The fact that they didn't upgrade OpenOffice (or switch to LibreOffice) for 5 years gives a clue as to the sorts of decision makers run Freiburg.
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Re: German city dumping OpenOffice for Microsoft

Post by JimC » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:10 am

Silly Germans, Apple was the obvious answer...
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Post by Warren Dew » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:48 am

JimC wrote:Silly Germans, Apple was the obvious answer...
So they could run MS Office for Mac instead?

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:01 am

My one experience with open office and incompatibility with MS Word was enough for me to give up on it. It's a shame, I guess.
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Post by MrJonno » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:39 am

Geeks playing politics with real money, the public sector should be playing it safe. If the private sector wants to get geekware working they are welcome to take the risks and the public sector can learn from it.
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Post by Jason » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:55 pm

What the fuck are you talking about Jonno? Libreoffice and OpenOffice are both stable, have all the same functionality as MS office, and are free to boot. The 'money' play is in buying MS office because a lot of other people are stupid enough to buy it. The world is full of stupid people. :sigh:

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Post by MrJonno » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:02 pm

Defintion of hell trying to manage open office on any network. Use the same software your clients do or expect the experience to be very difficult
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Post by Azathoth » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:06 pm

Openoffice blows goats. Libreoffice is much nicer to use than openoffice or the overcomplicated MS shite. It also saves as microsoft formats with no problem at all unlike openoffice which turn files to gibberish
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Post by Drewish » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:14 pm

I was thinking that if they were having problems, then I can understand the switch back. Then I read that they aren't using an up-to-date version. Gah!
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Post by Robert_S » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:39 pm

Drewish wrote:I was thinking that if they were having problems, then I can understand the switch back. Then I read that they aren't using an up-to-date version. Gah!
If they're that inept, then they're exactly why MS Office still has value in the world.
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Re: German city dumping OpenOffice for Microsoft

Post by MiM » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:08 pm

Lovely town, Freiburg. Visited there in August.

This is a tricky thing. Normally we use open sw as much as possible at home, but Ronja needs to use Windows Word, at least as a last step to get the formatting right, when she does work for customers wanting the docx format. And I would get more than a bit nervous, if I had to give a presentation that I made with Powerpoint, on a computer with only the OO/LO equivalent installed.

On the other hand, the Justice Ministry in Finland moved to OO more than 5 years ago, and seems to have saved big bucks. Even though their primary concern was not to use a proprietary format for documents that need to be accessed by the public and stored for a very long time. Reasons enough for any government or public organisation to move to open formats, in my opinion.

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Post by Cormac » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:10 pm

klr wrote:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/20 ... penoffice/
German city dumping OpenOffice for Microsoft
Freiburg city council called 'clueless'


The city council of Freiburg, Germany has voted to switch the city's productivity software from OpenOffice to Microsoft Office, reversing an open source software policy that has been in place since 2007.

In a move that angered local open source advocates, including council members from the Green and Pirate Parties, the council voted 25 to 20 in favor of standardizing the city's desktops on Microsoft Office 2010, with two abstentions.

"Here was an opportunity missed to strengthen local economies and business while playing a pioneering role in free software," the Freiburg wing of the Pirate Party said in a (robo-translated) press release, calling the council "clueless."

Although Freiburg had been using the open source OpenOffice suite for the past five years, complaints about the software had been mounting, as ITworld reported last Thursday. Users had trouble maintaining document formatting between the OpenOffice applications and Microsoft Office, and OpenOffice's spreadsheet and presentation programs were said to be "underperforming."

But in its press release, the Pirate Party characterized the vote to return to Microsoft as a foregone conclusion, arguing that many council members lacked the technical expertise to understand the issues in the matter and should therefore have abstained from the vote.

Freiburg's transition to open source software was certainly not without its technical problems. Most glaringly, city employees have been stuck using an outdated version of the software, OpenOffice 3.2.1, which is no longer being maintained by its developers.

Future development of the suite is currently split between the LibreOffice project and Apache OpenOffice, each of which is based on a more mature version of the OpenOffice code base than the one Freiburg is using.

What's more, because of the problems involved in integrating OpenOffice with other IT systems, many Freiburg employees have been using the open source suite side-by-side with the even more antiquated Microsoft Office 2000.

As a result of Tuesday's vote, the city will jettison both packages in favor of deploying Office 2010 as the standard suite for all of its employees.

It's not yet clear how the city plans to license the Microsoft software – or whether its license will allow it to upgrade to Office 2013, which is due in the first quarter of next year – but according to the Pirate Party, license costs alone are expected to reach €600,000. In addition, it said, the city council failed to even consider the training costs associated with the upgrade.

Those are all funds that could have been invested in maintaining Freiburg's commitment to open standards, the Pirate Party argued, including upgrading to LibreOffice and training those users who were more accustomed to Microsoft Office to make better use of the suite.

The council, on the other hand, held that Freiburg's IT needs were typical of other German cities, the majority of which have yet to undertake the move to open source. Although OpenOffice is more popular in Germany than in many other countries, a 2010 study found that only 21 per cent of Germans had OpenOffice installed, compared to 72 per cent for Microsoft Office.

Assuming its budget for the switch is approved, Freiburg's transition to Microsoft Office could begin as soon as the middle of 2013.
Enjoy MS Office 2013 and Windows 8 folks. I hope the hardware doesn't need replacing at well.

The fact that they didn't upgrade OpenOffice (or switch to LibreOffice) for 5 years gives a clue as to the sorts of decision makers run Freiburg.
I must download the latest Open Office spreadsheet and Presentation tools and see how they stack up against Microsoft. I use the MS versions all day long every day.
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Post by Warren Dew » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:24 pm

Elif air ab dinikh wrote:Openoffice blows goats. Libreoffice is much nicer to use than openoffice or the overcomplicated MS shite. It also saves as microsoft formats with no problem at all unlike openoffice which turn files to gibberish
Libreoffice on my work Linux machine is okay for occasional use but when I have to work on Word document at work, I take in my personal Mac, which has Microsoft Office on it, to use instead.

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Re: German city dumping OpenOffice for Microsoft

Post by Pappa » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:27 pm

I always found OpenOffice to be quite clunky and temperamental. The formatting issues were a regular problem when a file was being used in both OO and MS Word. I switched to LibreOffice, which is fuck loads better.

It should be remembered that formatting on MS Word can be an utter pain in the arse sometimes too.
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