Guns used for lawful self defense

[Kristie]

Thank you Kristie and FBM.
I have said before that most Americans are nice people, and you reinforce that opinion.

Gallstones.
The way you worded that last post makes you appear most arrogant and unattractive. You might like to re-think your wording.

I am very extremely anti-gun. But I refuse to get tangled up in this argument. It's like arguing there is no heaven with a Christian. Pointless! Good luck, Blind groper. But I suggest you bow out before you want to borrow their handgun to shoot yourself.

Then say what you mean next time, and speak for yourself.

So, you say shit you don't mean or can't follow through on?
Go away already.

I'm not, and never will be tangled up in an argument about guns. I currently am tangled up in an argument because I wanted to let another member know he wasn't alone in his opinion and this crazy woman started attacking me. I plan to stay. You are free to leave though, if you wish.

[Kristie]

Gallsotnes: Kristie was using humor. Do you know what humor is?

Oh, the white Knight rides in.

Who is Gallsotnes?

Kristie isnt' funny. Maybe she doesn't know what humor is?

You seem to be the one with the stick up your ass.
Lighten the fuck up!

[pErvinalia]

Gallsotnes: Kristie was using humor. Do you know what humor is?

Oh, the white Knight rides in.

Who is Gallsotnes?

Gallsnots?

[Kristie]

Fuck you.

You fucking wish.

Not really. I'd rather vomit.
Fuck you means do it to yourself.

Will you ladies reconcile if I tell you I want to fuck you both, together or separately as you'll prefer?

I like you.
I hate her.

It's interesting that I can illicit that much emotion from someone.

"You can only hate someone whom you have the capacity to love, because if you are really indifferent, you cannot even get up the enough energy to hate him."
Sri Chinmoy

[Blind groper]

I didn't want to enter this debate, but I agree with GS about the suicide thing. Why is suicide considered a bad thing? I thought most enlightened thinkers agreed that it is religious nonsense to paint suicide as a bad thing.

Allow me to answer that.
If someone really, really wants to die because their life is intolerable, then I would agree that is OK.

The thing is that this is not the way suicides happen, most of the time. The following information comes from detailed research by a number of academics, who have spent a big part of their lives trying to understand would-be suicides.

The majority of suicides and murders have one thing in common. They are acts of impulse. A suicide attempt occurs when someone who is lonely or depressed, and in pain, suddenly decides to end it all. It is not because they actually want to die. It is because they are in pain and cannot think of any other way to end the pain. This drives a temporary impulse, which lasts from a few minutes to a couple of hours. If that person finds a method of killing themselves that actually works, within that limited time period, then they will die.

Most suicide attempts in the USA are by overdosing drugs, or by trying to cut themselves. These methods normally fail. The percentage of people actually dying range from 2% (sleeping pills) to under 10% (cutting). Researchers have found that the majority who survive never try again. They go on to live full lives, and have the same chance of finding love and happiness as other people.

There are two methods, though, that normally kill the would-be suicide. Jumping off a high place, and the use of a hand gun. Success rate over 90%. With the hand gun, the small number who survive probably wish they had not, since brain injury is very, very serious.

Jumping off a high place is much rarer, for the simple reason that the impulse to suicide normally passes before those people get to a high place. A few try, and survive. I remember a story, from interviewing a guy who jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. He said he changed his mind after he jumped and was falling. He realised, big time, that his biggest problem was simply the fact that he was falling from the bridge. Every other problem became very, very small.

Hand guns are the big success story with suicide. 60% of all American suicides are with hand guns. Homes with a hand gun have a 400% higher chance of a family member suiciding than homes without. Hand guns do not give a person with a temporary impulse to suicide the second chance that drugs or cutting usually does. These are people who, if no hand gun was available, would get through the impulse and live long lives with the same chance at love and happiness as other people. Because a hand gun is available, they lose that chance.

Does that explain why hand gun suicide is such a tragedy?

[Blind groper]

To Kristie.

I think you are a beautiful woman, and that has nothing to do with the way you look. (You probably look lovely too).

I really, really, really appreciate your support on this thread. However, to argue with pro-gun people requires the hide of a rhino. Fortunately I have such a hide, and I am immune to insult, except from those I like and respect. Not a problem here!

If you do not have the rhino hide, you may prefer to withdraw, and leave it up to people like me who lack that kind of sensitivity. One thing I realised a long time back is that loving guns has nothing to do with rational thought. It is entirely irrational and emotional, and in extreme cases, quite religious. As you know, arguing with religious people is a major uphill battle.

[Kristie]

To Kristie.

I think you are a beautiful woman, and that has nothing to do with the way you look. (You probably look lovely too).

I really, really, really appreciate your support on this thread. However, to argue with pro-gun people requires the hide of a rhino. Fortunately I have such a hide, and I am immune to insult, except from those I like and respect. Not a problem here!

If you do not have the rhino hide, you may prefer to withdraw, and leave it up to people like me who lack that kind of sensitivity. One thing I realised a long time back is that loving guns has nothing to do with rational thought. It is entirely irrational and emotional, and in extreme cases, quite religious. As you know, arguing with religious people is a major uphill battle.

Thank you. There is nothing Gallstones can say to me that will actually get to me, because unlike her, I don't have enough emotion invested to hate her. I am indifferent. And, frankly, I think it's hilarious that she is spending time arguing someone she hates.

[pErvinalia]

@BG... cheers for that. That makes sense.

[JimC]

Is Seth banned?

Not at the moment - he was given a brief holiday a while ago...

[amused]

The rest of us react to the ridiculous ferocious posturing...

[MrJonno]

Most suicides are due to mental illness, a few are rational decisions to end pain that cannot be prevented by any other method but these are the exception.

Most suicides are a failure by society to look after its (often temporarily) weak, it may be a failure of medical care or a failure of economic policy but its still a failure

[pErvinalia]

Most suicides are due to mental illness, a few are rational decisions to end pain that cannot be prevented by any other method but these are the exception.

What sort of "mental illnesses"? And are you suggesting that people with, say, depression can't act rationally?

[Robert_S]

Most suicides are due to mental illness, a few are rational decisions to end pain that cannot be prevented by any other method but these are the exception.

What sort of "mental illnesses"? And are you suggesting that people with, say, depression can't act rationally?

We can, but often don't on the spur of the moment.

[Svartalf]

Most suicides are due to mental illness, a few are rational decisions to end pain that cannot be prevented by any other method but these are the exception.

What sort of "mental illnesses"? And are you suggesting that people with, say, depression can't act rationally?

If the depression is clinically declared, you can assume that "logical" reactions to perceived hardship are not all that rational and might entail different attitudes in non depressive subjects.

[Jason]

The rest of us react to the ridiculous ferocious posturing...

Glock Glock.