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Post by Seth » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:40 am

Tero wrote:Gallsotnes: Kristie was using humor. Do you know what humor is?
Perhaps Kristie should understand that we don't find the subject to be humorous. It's deadly serious, and if the Blue Helmets deploy to the US to take away guns, it's my clear understanding from people who are prepared to act that that moment is the beginning of the 2nd American Revolution, and there will be many dead Blue Helmets...among others.

When those folks say "fuck the UN," they mean it, and they WILL fuck the UN right up the ass.
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Post by Blind groper » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:48 am

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You obviously did not read my earlier comment. The 'blue helmets' are not going to go anywhere near the US, to take your guns away or anything else. The treaty is about international trade in guns to stop them getting into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Considering the sentiments you expressed earlier, I would expect you to be all in favour of keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and terrorists.
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Post by Seth » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:57 am

Blind groper wrote:Seth

You obviously did not read my earlier comment.
Yes, I did, and they are still stupid.
The 'blue helmets' are not going to go anywhere near the US, to take your guns away or anything else.
They'd better hope so.
The treaty is about international trade in guns to stop them getting into the hands of terrorists or criminals.


No, it's not. It's about solidifying one-world government control of the trade in and possession of small arms by the citizens of EVERY NATION, and the specific intent is to start the process of stripping Americans of their 2nd Amendment rights and disarming EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE in the world, leaving only government agents like the military and police in possession of ANY small arms.

The purpose is to destroy national sovereignty in the United States, and every other country on earth, starting with the baby steps of a treaty to control the manufacture, import, export and licensing of small arms. First they control international trade in arms, and then, as a part of the agenda, they begin controlling INTERNAL trade in arms and arms manufacture of the various weapons-supplying signatories. Instituting limits on the number and kind of arms that can be possessed, the amount and types of ammunition that can be possessed, and the amounts and types that can be MANUFACTURED domestically is next on the agenda, followed by mandatory gun licensing, "safe storage" laws, and all the accoutrements that we saw in the UK as the government systematically dismantled the Rights of Englishmen of the Magna Carta, which includes the inviolable right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Then the gun bans and collections start, as they did in Australia and New Jersey.

If you think that it's about criminals and terrorists you're even more gullible and deluded than I thought you were.
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Post by Blind groper » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:15 am

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The wording of the treaty is specific, in that it does not permit any interference with internal policy of the various government signatories. Nor will there be any change in that, since the United Nations is not stupid, and they know they can only go so far. Your fears are simply not valid.
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Post by Jason » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:02 am

Why do they wear blue helmets? Why not wear shooting range orange helmets and uniforms with an arrow pointing to their head with bold comic sans letters that read "I'm With Stupid!" ?


Oh, sorry to interrupt this scintillating debate. :bored:

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Post by Seth » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:05 am

Blind groper wrote:Seth

The wording of the treaty is specific, in that it does not permit any interference with internal policy of the various government signatories. Nor will there be any change in that, since the United Nations is not stupid, and they know they can only go so far. Your fears are simply not valid.
Nonsense. The United Nations is stupid, and ineffective, and utterly incapable of taking any action to enforce its dictates. Moreover, the language of the treaty is so vague, using the term "illicit trade in small arms" quite often without actually defining what that means. What it means is, roughly, "the possession of arms and ammunition by anyone other than a government agency."

And it binds the signatories to making changes in their internal policies to comply with the UN Programme of Action on Small Arms.

Any time the UN proposes anything that affects Americans, my fears are completely valid because the organization is nothing more than a group of one-world-government corruptocrats who are trying as hard as possible to destroy the sovereignty of the United States in particular, and every other nation in general.

The long and short of it is that any attempt by the UN to infringe on our RKBA will be taken by a great many people in the US as an act of war against them, and they will, I suspect, respond accordingly.
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Post by aspire1670 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:26 am

Seth wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Seth

The wording of the treaty is specific, in that it does not permit any interference with internal policy of the various government signatories. Nor will there be any change in that, since the United Nations is not stupid, and they know they can only go so far. Your fears are simply not valid.

The long and short of it is that any attempt by the UN to infringe on our RKBA will be taken by a great many people in the US as an act of war against them, and they will, I suspect, respond accordingly by posting words and stuff on the interwebz.
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Post by aspire1670 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:30 am

Seth wrote:
Tero wrote:Gallsotnes: Kristie was using humor. Do you know what humor is?
Perhaps Kristie should understand that we don't find the subject to be humorous. It's deadly serious, and if the Blue Helmets deploy to the US to take away guns, it's my clear understanding from people who are prepared to act that that moment is the beginning of the 2nd American Revolution, and there will be many dead Blue Helmets...among others.

When those folks say "fuck the UN," they mean it, and they WILL fuck the UN right up the ass.
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Post by mozg » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:32 am

aspire1670 wrote:What! Are you in the habit of storing your rifle on someone elses carpet? That's pretty damn un Amrican. Oh wait, no it isn't. Carry on.
Storing?

No, showing you where I store the guns would be very bad Op Sec.
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Post by Woodbutcher » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:27 pm

Seth wrote:
Woodbutcher wrote:
mozg wrote:
Gallstones wrote:See my new gun?
Oh is this the part where we post guns?!

Here is the newest addition to my family:

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Cool! Guns are a nice hobby. Damn expensive though.
Semi-automatic "assault weapons," large-capacity magazines (Surefire has both a 60 and 100 round mag), and ammunition are absolutely the best investment anyone can make right now, and I mean RIGHT NOW. Even if you don't need them to fight your way out of the dependent class rabble to safety and freedom, when Obama gets going on gun control, with Pelosi's help, whatever you have will be worth at least as much as gold in trade for other goods.

I bought two more last week, and I'm ordering multiple AR style receivers right now so I can assemble more rifles myself.

I'm also signing up for the Remington AR armorer's course.
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Post by Jason » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:34 pm

Woodbutcher wrote:You better start the insurrection, sorry, liberation struggle right now, sonny. There is a drone circling Sethville as we speak, waiting for someone to push the "FIRE" button.
:lol:

They could bust his bunker open like a raw egg and he wouldn't even know it's coming. People that defend the right to bear arms on the basis that they are 'defending themselves from tyranny' just don't live in the real world. I wonder if Seth will like the new Red Dawn? :ask:

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Post by Woodbutcher » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:38 pm

PordFrefect wrote:
Woodbutcher wrote:You better start the insurrection, sorry, liberation struggle right now, sonny. There is a drone circling Sethville as we speak, waiting for someone to push the "FIRE" button.
:lol:

They could bust his bunker open like a raw egg and he wouldn't even know it's coming. People that defend the right to bear arms on the basis that they are 'defending themselves from tyranny' just don't live in the real world. I wonder if Seth will like the new Red Dawn? :ask:
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Post by Jason » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:48 pm

mozg wrote:
Gallstones wrote:See my new gun?
Oh is this the part where we post guns?!

Here is the newest addition to my family:

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Assault rifles are neat. I appreciate them, but in a different way from other firearms. I don't own any and I can't think of a reason why I would want to. They're terrible for home defense, despite what Seth says, they're not nearly as practical for hunting as any of the thousands of options in hunting rifles, they're no good for target shooting (unless it's restricted to assault weapons which sort of defeats the purpose), so why own one? Besides going plinking and wasting 30 rounds in a few seconds that is.

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Post by Svartalf » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:48 pm

Is it wrong that I'm pro gun because I love to shoot the hell out of paper silhouettes and cans and fruits and old appliances?
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Post by Seth » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:49 pm

Woodbutcher wrote:
Seth wrote:
Woodbutcher wrote:
mozg wrote:
Gallstones wrote:See my new gun?
Oh is this the part where we post guns?!

Here is the newest addition to my family:

Image
Cool! Guns are a nice hobby. Damn expensive though.
Semi-automatic "assault weapons," large-capacity magazines (Surefire has both a 60 and 100 round mag), and ammunition are absolutely the best investment anyone can make right now, and I mean RIGHT NOW. Even if you don't need them to fight your way out of the dependent class rabble to safety and freedom, when Obama gets going on gun control, with Pelosi's help, whatever you have will be worth at least as much as gold in trade for other goods.

I bought two more last week, and I'm ordering multiple AR style receivers right now so I can assemble more rifles myself.

I'm also signing up for the Remington AR armorer's course.
You better start the insurrection, sorry, liberation struggle right now, sonny. There is a drone circling Sethville as we speak, waiting for someone to push the "FIRE" button.
Nah, it's strictly an economic decision at this point. There will likely be another attempt to ban them, so that will make them scarce and valuable, so I'm stocking up and improving my skill set so that I can create quality products.

Besides, they have to know where I am before they can send a drone around.
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