"Makers vs. Takers" and why it's dangerous

[pErvinalia]

you're a nutbag, not an environmentalist.

[Twoflower]

you're a nutbag, not an environmentalist.

If you really are a sociopath, then there is no point debating you. If you really think that it is acceptable in civilised society to say"fuck the poor", then you are beyond reason. And besides, I'm likely to call you a cuntface and threaten you in all manner of ways if you are a sociopath. That's not good for me or the forum.

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[Seth]

Society is a pyramid, with the further down you go the more people there are. Everyone in each layer is reliant on on all the people in the layers below even if its just for the masses not to revolt and kill you.

There is no makers and takers just an interconnected society

Yep. Very much this. Libertarians seem to think they built all their wealth on their own, without any aid from society. The fact that they had a stable society that provided all the services and opportunities for work and commerce is totally lost to them. Or, they know this, and they choose to ignore it. Same outcome either way.

You lie.

[Warren Dew]

you're a nutbag, not an environmentalist.

'cause environmentalists believe in magical thinking like "you can increase the human population indefinitely without ever impacting the environment, just by thinking good thoughts?" I disagree.

[pErvinalia]

yeah, I'm real sure he's concerned about overpopulation.

[Drewish]

Actually I am.

[Tero]

Society is a pyramid, with the further down you go the more people there are. Everyone in each layer is reliant on on all the people in the layers below even if its just for the masses not to revolt and kill you.

There is no makers and takers just an interconnected society

Yep. Very much this. Libertarians seem to think they built all their wealth on their own, without any aid from society. The fact that they had a stable society that provided all the services and opportunities for work and commerce is totally lost to them. Or, they know this, and they choose to ignore it. Same outcome either way.

You lie.

you lie!

[macdoc]

MrJonno wrote:Society is a pyramid, with the further down you go the more people there are.

not quite - more like a tree with spreading branches.
Pyramid implies a hierarchy.
They made the same error with illustrations of evolution and it really depends on what you value as to where achievements are assigned in the scheme of things.

[MrJonno]

Pyramid of wealth, there are fewer people as levels of wealth increase. Those on the lower layers are if they are lucky employed (and exploited/utilised) by those above them, in return the masses don't shoot the elite. Extreme capitalism results in communism which is why capitalist is generally regulated to prevent this

[Coito ergo sum]

Selfish baby - generous dog.

[cronus]

I believe the coming global pandemic will cut back the human population sufficiently for relationships between various wealth bandwidths to normalize. At present everyone is under everyone's feet and I think the modern communications revolution is not really helping here. Once the population is down to *cough-cough* 500 million say there will be room for rich man and poor man once again. As nature intended...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

you're a nutbag, not an environmentalist.

'cause environmentalists believe in magical thinking like "you can increase the human population indefinitely without ever impacting the environment, just by thinking good thoughts?" I disagree.

Strawman. Environmentalists are concerned about the impact of an ever growing population on the planet. You know this, so why the BS? Out of arguments?