Israel/Palestine; has the shit finally hit the fan?

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Re: Israel/Palestine; has the shit finally hit the fan?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:50 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Image

Obvious fake is obvious. Pallywood propaganda. Look at the blood. Fake. And, then zoom the picture in so you can see the people in the background better. So, there is some sort of IDF attack going on here, and this guy is running with his bombed and bleeding daughter, frantically running from the attack? Look what he is running from! A bunch of civilians calmly standing there and watching, and a car driving down the street his way. No commotion. People on the right are standing and watching with their hands in their pockets.

Might as well be the fake photo of the supposed Israeli soldier with his boot on a Palestinian child: http://972mag.com/whats-wrong-with-this ... ake/34420/

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:54 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:
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Just stop firing rockets into Israel. That's all they have to do.

Look - the reason Hamas is attacking Israel is not because they want Gaza and the West Bank to be left alone. The reason they are attacking Israel is because they think Israel should be part of a Palestinian state.

That is the problem.
The problem is is that the dominant force in the region commits war crimes and flouts UN resolutions and is slaughtering and greatly oppressing the Palestinians. Israel is the only one in a position to offer a solution. So far their only solution is to kill thousands of women and children. Fucking barbaric cunts. And fuck you and anyone else who apologises for such inhumane and evil cunts.
You are on the side of the hateful, antisemitic, terrorists. If you think they're on the side of right, then there is something wrong with you.

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Re: Israel/Palestine; has the shit finally hit the fan?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:59 pm

Scrumple wrote:Palestinians could stop mooning the giant...worth a try. I don't think they've tried that strategy yet? :coffee:
Israel the "giant?" I mean - what the fuck? Israel is surrounded by a Hizb'Allah controlled Lebanon to the north (and nobody asks where the formerly majority population of Christians went, do they? Pushed into the sea, literally...that ought to tell you where the Muslim groups' heads are at), and then they face Syria across the Golan Heights (Syria does not recognize Israel's right to exist), and then there is Jordan across the Jordan River, and Egypt in the south. It's been this way for 63 years, and the Arabs have attacked Israel in major wars three times. How many times before it's understood who wants to destroy whom here?

For fucks sake -- the look what the Muslim terrorists did to Lebanon!!! They did id! They pushed the Christians (and Jews) into the sea -- and turned a majority Christian country into a Muslim country. That is exactly what they want to do to Israel. That is what they SAY they want to do to Israel. That is Hamas' goal. That is Hizb'Allah's goal. That is Syria's goal. That is the new government in Egypt's goal. That is Iran's goal.

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Post by Jesus_of_Nazareth » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:02 pm

Not sure how the Palestinians can be anti-semitic.

Self hating Palestinians perhaps?
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:06 pm

Jesus_of_Nazareth wrote:Not sure how the Palestinians can be anti-semitic.

Self hating Palestinians perhaps?
Antisemitic in common English usage refers to Jews. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semitism

Note the difference between "definition" and "etymology" of a word.

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So, the Jews have also stolen the Palestinians race?
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Post by mistermack » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:16 pm

You hear over and over again, from Israelis and their disgusting American apologists, that it's the Palestinians that are the agressors, and the poor Israelis are just retaliating.

It's an absolute pack of lies.
Recently, about three Israelis have been killed. About 100 Palestinians.
That means that the next 97 Israelis killed will ALL be in retaliation.

And historically, it's always been the same.
The Palestinian rockets are justified retaliation for Israeli murders.
People say, the Palestinians shouldn't fire rockets.
In other words, don't do anything about your families being murdered, because they will just murder more of you.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:18 pm

Jesus_of_Nazareth wrote:So, the Jews have also stolen the Palestinians race?
There is no such thing as race. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/ ... exist.html

Moreover, the idea that "Jews" stole anything from "Palestinians" is ludicrous. It's as ludicrous as saying that the Muslims stole the country of Jordan.

Israel - the land on which Israel sits -- is NOT INHERENTLY MUSLIM. The Muslims have no priority to it. Neither do the Palestinians. To say that they do is to say that Mexicans ought not be permitted to move into Utah or Kansas. It's the same ethnocentric shit.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:24 pm

mistermack wrote:You hear over and over again, from Israelis and their disgusting American apologists, that it's the Palestinians that are the agressors, and the poor Israelis are just retaliating.

It's an absolute pack of lies.
Recently, about three Israelis have been killed. About 100 Palestinians.
That means that the next 97 Israelis killed will ALL be in retaliation.

And historically, it's always been the same.
The Palestinian rockets are justified retaliation for Israeli murders.
People say, the Palestinians shouldn't fire rockets.
In other words, don't do anything about your families being murdered, because they will just murder more of you.

Nice choice.
The Israeli attacks came after 1600+ rockets were fired into Israel this year. They hit apartment buildings and killed children and other civilians. They hit schools. They terrorized millions of Israelis, who had to take shelter in bomb shelters many times.

Yes, if the Palestinians would have fired 0 rockets into Israel this year, not a single Israeli attack would have occurred against a single Palestinian location.

You can justify terrorism all you want, but you can't polish a turd. Somehow, you claim to be on the side of right when you take the side of the people who want to eradicate "the Jews" and "obliterate" the State of Israel. Hamas says outright that the land on which Israel now sits -- the 1949 borders -- not even referring to the 1967 territory captured when the Arabs attacked Israel (again) - Hamas says Israel is properly Palestinian and should be a Muslim state.

The terrorists in Lebanon succeeded in doing it in Lebanon. They pushed out the Christians, and turned Lebanon into another "Muslim country" and the disgusting apologists in Europe defend those actions, because for some reason any land in the middle east is decreed as inherently Muslim. And, the Muslims supposedly own it, and Christians and Jews are rightly second class citizens (and lest we forget...atheists and agnostics, third class).

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Re: Israel/Palestine; has the shit finally hit the fan?

Post by Ian » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:42 pm

I'm not especially pro-Israel, but I think some people might be confusing Hamas with its precursor organization in Gaza, the PLO (as if the PLO itself wasn't already bad enough). Hamas currently holds power there, but it would be a mistake to assume that Hamas = Palestinians.

Israel can bomb the holy hell out of Hamas all year long for all I care. I'd very much like it if no civilian casualties were possible, but this is something even Hamas is not particularly keen on: provoking the inevitable casualties from an Israeli response to rocket fire is something which earns Hamas supporters in the Arab world, along with angry critics of Israel in the rest of the world. Maybe, though, the people inside Gaza will come to decide that having Hamas as their leadership has turned out to be counterproductive, and they'll replace them. That might be a pipe dream, but I like to be optimistic.

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Post by Audley Strange » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:52 pm

Wait a minute though. During the time of Arafat and the P.L.O. Israel gave support to Islamist groups like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood in order to undermine the popularity of the more secular nationalist P.L.O. within Palestine. You know, just like the U.S. supported Islamist groups to undermine the Soviets (with help from Egypt and Israel too.)

So what does this tell us other than Israel will do anything and support anyone that impedes the end of this occupation? They do not wish for a solution because peace in the region means they are a trivial little squirt of a nation that no-one would give one single fuck about. The same also applies for the Islamist groups.
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Post by Jesus_of_Nazareth » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:54 pm

I think CES should be sent over to sort the problem out.........

......likely both sides would discover something they could unite about.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:55 pm

Audley Strange wrote:Wait a minute though. During the time of Arafat and the P.L.O. Israel gave support to Islamist groups like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood in order to undermine the popularity of the more secular nationalist P.L.O. within Palestine. You know, just like the U.S. supported Islamist groups to undermine the Soviets (with help from Egypt and Israel too.)

So what does this tell us other than Israel will do anything and support anyone that impedes the end of this occupation? They do not wish for a solution because peace in the region means they are a trivial little squirt of a nation that no-one would give one single fuck about. The same also applies for the Islamist groups.

Quick questions as an aside -- what would Israel have to do to "end the occupation?" Which lands are the lands being occupied? And, what lands does Hamas think are "occupied?"

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Coito ergo sum wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Wait a minute though. During the time of Arafat and the P.L.O. Israel gave support to Islamist groups like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood in order to undermine the popularity of the more secular nationalist P.L.O. within Palestine. You know, just like the U.S. supported Islamist groups to undermine the Soviets (with help from Egypt and Israel too.)

So what does this tell us other than Israel will do anything and support anyone that impedes the end of this occupation? They do not wish for a solution because peace in the region means they are a trivial little squirt of a nation that no-one would give one single fuck about. The same also applies for the Islamist groups.

Quick questions as an aside -- what would Israel have to do to "end the occupation?" Which lands are the lands being occupied? And, what lands does Hamas think are "occupied?"
You can't really be this thick, can you? :think:
wikipedia wrote:The Israeli-occupied territories are the territories which have been designated as occupied territory by the United Nations and other international organizations, governments and others to refer to the territory seized by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967 from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. They consist of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem; the Gaza Strip, (though Israel disputes this and argues that since the implementation of its disengagement from Gaza in 2005 it no longer occupies the territory); much of the Golan Heights; and, until 1982, the Sinai Peninsula. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are also referred to as the Palestinian territories or "Occupied Palestinian Territory". The Palestinian Authority, the EU,[1] the International Court of Justice,[2] the UN General Assembly[3] and the UN Security Council[4] consider East Jerusalem to be part of the West Bank and occupied by Israel; Israel considers all of Jerusalem to be its capital and sovereign territory.

Israeli governments have preferred the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank.[5][6] The Israeli High Court of Justice has ruled that Israel holds the West Bank under "belligerent occupation". The International Court of Justice,[2] the UN General Assembly[3] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power".[7]
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