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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:19 am

FBM wrote:I think Bg offers better data when he's not side-tracked by having to defend himself against post emotion-laden ridicule. Some of his data on suicide improved my understanding of the issue. Even so, he hasn't made a strong case for his solution of banning private handgun ownership. While I agree that it might reduce some (unsure how many) suicide and accidental deaths, it's like driving a thumb-tack with a sledgehammer. You wind up doing more damage than good. Why? Because the social, historical and cultural realities are that if the gummit were to try to pass and enforce such a law, the civil strife that would surely ensue would overshadow any potential benefits. And I don't think it would be a short-term thing, either. You can't just pass a law and erase the momentum of history and culture. So Bg's solution is a pie-in-the-sky idea that falls flat as soon as it has to face reality. If, sometime in the future, the will of the majority of the US public changes, then would be the time to start looking at that possibility. But that's a looooooong time coming.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by FBM » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:21 am

I agree and think that applies to everyone, Gallstones, myself included. :tup:
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:22 am

Blind groper wrote:
Seabass wrote:
Oh, I dunno. Maybe some people are just annoyed by the continuous stream of insults, and your constant moralizing, condescension, hypocrisy, sanctimony, and self-righteousness.
Always interesting to see how people interpret things when seen through their own filter of bias.
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Kidding, right?

Blind groper wrote:No, Seabass. I saw a problem, and I have spoken about it. I have done the research and presented the data. It always says something when people like you stop trying to argue the facts and resort to insults. It means your case has run dry, and instead of admitting defeat, you resort to ad homs.

As I said before, you are doing your best to become another Seth. That sort of thing can only happen when personal pride has gone.
:this: is an intended insult and you should be chastised and suspended for it.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:23 am

Seabass wrote:
Blind groper wrote:
Seabass wrote:
Oh, I dunno. Maybe some people are just annoyed by the continuous stream of insults, and your constant moralizing, condescension, hypocrisy, sanctimony, and self-righteousness.
Always interesting to see how people interpret things when seen through their own filter of bias.

No, Seabass. I saw a problem, and I have spoken about it. I have done the research and presented the data. It always says something when people like you stop trying to argue the facts and resort to insults. It means your case has run dry, and instead of admitting defeat, you resort to ad homs.

As I said before, you are doing your best to become another Seth. That sort of thing can only happen when personal pride has gone.

Oh good god. Get over yourself, you self-important boob.

Look, when you use words like "sick", "backward", "barbaric", "psychotic", "sociopath", "nutter", "religious", etc., to describe gun owners and Americans, you're going to annoy some people. Your data presentation has never been the problem, for Christ's sake.

And you have the honeydew melon-sized cojones to admonish others for resorting to insult and ad hom? Your hypocrisy is legendary!

By the way, I'm pretty sure you've posted more on this topic than anyone else on this forum, which makes you the most religious gun nut of all. You just happen to be anti instead of for.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:28 am

Blind groper wrote:Thank you tattuchu.

To Seabass.
When I use words like 'barbaric', 'backward', 'sick' and so on, I am describing gun culture. I am not using those words to insult individuals.
Lie, lie, lie.
Blind groper wrote:American gun culture is unique among western advanced nations. No other nation sees it as a human right to permit citizens to possess tools for murder and suicide, which is what a hand gun is. As I have pointed out, a hand gun is distinctly inferior to a rifle as a hunting weapon, and unnecessary as a target weapon (less lethal air guns are available). The only special qualities a hand gun has is portability, concealability and lethality at close range. Which makes it a perfect murder weapon. It is also the perfect suicide weapon, with over 90% lethality. Both end uses cause human tragedies. Making it a human right to possess such a tool is not rational.

Now, I admit I used the word 'psychopath' to describe Seth. However, this is an honest appraisal rather than a gratuitous insult. Seth is a strange person, and his comments on this and other threads are entirely consistent with mental illness, and probably with psychopathy.
Lie, lie, lie--bald faced lie.

Blind groper wrote:On the love of guns. Yes, I will use words like 'religious', and 'nutter'. That is because those words describe the syndrome very well. Just as people in my country are often very 'religious' in their attitude to rugby football, so a lot of Americans, including many on this thread, are 'religious' in their approach to firearms. I feel no shame in using the term 'gun nutter', since so many American gun enthusiasts describe themselves as 'gun nutters'. If it is OK for them to self describe that way, it seems OK for me.
The only "syndrome", is inside of your head.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Kristie » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:29 am

Gallstones wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Thank you tattuchu.

To Seabass.
When I use words like 'barbaric', 'backward', 'sick' and so on, I am describing gun culture. I am not using those words to insult individuals.
Lie, lie, lie.
Blind groper wrote:American gun culture is unique among western advanced nations. No other nation sees it as a human right to permit citizens to possess tools for murder and suicide, which is what a hand gun is. As I have pointed out, a hand gun is distinctly inferior to a rifle as a hunting weapon, and unnecessary as a target weapon (less lethal air guns are available). The only special qualities a hand gun has is portability, concealability and lethality at close range. Which makes it a perfect murder weapon. It is also the perfect suicide weapon, with over 90% lethality. Both end uses cause human tragedies. Making it a human right to possess such a tool is not rational.

Now, I admit I used the word 'psychopath' to describe Seth. However, this is an honest appraisal rather than a gratuitous insult. Seth is a strange person, and his comments on this and other threads are entirely consistent with mental illness, and probably with psychopathy.
Lie, lie, lie--bald faced lie.

Blind groper wrote:On the love of guns. Yes, I will use words like 'religious', and 'nutter'. That is because those words describe the syndrome very well. Just as people in my country are often very 'religious' in their attitude to rugby football, so a lot of Americans, including many on this thread, are 'religious' in their approach to firearms. I feel no shame in using the term 'gun nutter', since so many American gun enthusiasts describe themselves as 'gun nutters'. If it is OK for them to self describe that way, it seems OK for me.
The only "syndrome", is inside of your head.
Very well laid out rebuttal. :roll:
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:31 am

Seth wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Now, I admit I used the word 'psychopath' to describe Seth. However, this is an honest appraisal rather than a gratuitous insult.
There you go again, and once again nobody calls you on it. This time I will do so, and if you're not suspended for 24 hours, I'll return to calling you names.
As will I, because the different standard, the glaring bias and prejudice of moderation is blinding and doesn't deserve respect.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:32 am

Kristie wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Thank you tattuchu.

To Seabass.
When I use words like 'barbaric', 'backward', 'sick' and so on, I am describing gun culture. I am not using those words to insult individuals.
Lie, lie, lie.
Blind groper wrote:American gun culture is unique among western advanced nations. No other nation sees it as a human right to permit citizens to possess tools for murder and suicide, which is what a hand gun is. As I have pointed out, a hand gun is distinctly inferior to a rifle as a hunting weapon, and unnecessary as a target weapon (less lethal air guns are available). The only special qualities a hand gun has is portability, concealability and lethality at close range. Which makes it a perfect murder weapon. It is also the perfect suicide weapon, with over 90% lethality. Both end uses cause human tragedies. Making it a human right to possess such a tool is not rational.

Now, I admit I used the word 'psychopath' to describe Seth. However, this is an honest appraisal rather than a gratuitous insult. Seth is a strange person, and his comments on this and other threads are entirely consistent with mental illness, and probably with psychopathy.
Lie, lie, lie--bald faced lie.

Blind groper wrote:On the love of guns. Yes, I will use words like 'religious', and 'nutter'. That is because those words describe the syndrome very well. Just as people in my country are often very 'religious' in their attitude to rugby football, so a lot of Americans, including many on this thread, are 'religious' in their approach to firearms. I feel no shame in using the term 'gun nutter', since so many American gun enthusiasts describe themselves as 'gun nutters'. If it is OK for them to self describe that way, it seems OK for me.
The only "syndrome", is inside of your head.
Very well laid out rebuttal. :roll:
Doesn't deserve more than that.
Doesn't change anything either.
Blind groper is a fucking liar and he's being enabled by the blind eye of the staff.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Kristie » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:34 am

Blind groper wrote:Thank you Kristie and FBM.
I have said before that most Americans are nice people, and you reinforce that opinion.

Gallstones.
The way you worded that last post makes you appear most arrogant and unattractive. You might like to re-think your wording.
I am very extremely anti-gun. But I refuse to get tangled up in this argument. It's like arguing there is no heaven with a Christian. Pointless! Good luck, Blind groper. But I suggest you bow out before you want to borrow their handgun to shoot yourself. :nono:
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:35 am

Blind groper wrote:
Seabass wrote: You can't just claim it's ok to insult people because they're wrong, or have what is in your view the wrong opinion.
I have never done that.
Bald faced lie.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Kristie » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:36 am

Gallstones wrote:
Kristie wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Thank you tattuchu.

To Seabass.
When I use words like 'barbaric', 'backward', 'sick' and so on, I am describing gun culture. I am not using those words to insult individuals.
Lie, lie, lie.
Blind groper wrote:American gun culture is unique among western advanced nations. No other nation sees it as a human right to permit citizens to possess tools for murder and suicide, which is what a hand gun is. As I have pointed out, a hand gun is distinctly inferior to a rifle as a hunting weapon, and unnecessary as a target weapon (less lethal air guns are available). The only special qualities a hand gun has is portability, concealability and lethality at close range. Which makes it a perfect murder weapon. It is also the perfect suicide weapon, with over 90% lethality. Both end uses cause human tragedies. Making it a human right to possess such a tool is not rational.

Now, I admit I used the word 'psychopath' to describe Seth. However, this is an honest appraisal rather than a gratuitous insult. Seth is a strange person, and his comments on this and other threads are entirely consistent with mental illness, and probably with psychopathy.
Lie, lie, lie--bald faced lie.

Blind groper wrote:On the love of guns. Yes, I will use words like 'religious', and 'nutter'. That is because those words describe the syndrome very well. Just as people in my country are often very 'religious' in their attitude to rugby football, so a lot of Americans, including many on this thread, are 'religious' in their approach to firearms. I feel no shame in using the term 'gun nutter', since so many American gun enthusiasts describe themselves as 'gun nutters'. If it is OK for them to self describe that way, it seems OK for me.
The only "syndrome", is inside of your head.
Very well laid out rebuttal. :roll:
Doesn't deserve more than that.
Doesn't change anything either.
Blind groper is a fucking liar and he's being enabled by the blind eye of the staff.
I don't think being a liar is against our rules. :ask:
I also think him being a liar is a matter of opinion.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:38 am

Blind groper wrote:Thank you Kristie and FBM.
I have said before that most Americans are nice people, and you reinforce that opinion.

Gallstones.
The way you worded that last post makes you appear most arrogant and unattractive. You might like to re-think your wording.
Let's see, your opinion of me = [empty set] <-------that much
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:40 am

Kristie wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
Kristie wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Thank you tattuchu.

To Seabass.
When I use words like 'barbaric', 'backward', 'sick' and so on, I am describing gun culture. I am not using those words to insult individuals.
Lie, lie, lie.
Blind groper wrote:American gun culture is unique among western advanced nations. No other nation sees it as a human right to permit citizens to possess tools for murder and suicide, which is what a hand gun is. As I have pointed out, a hand gun is distinctly inferior to a rifle as a hunting weapon, and unnecessary as a target weapon (less lethal air guns are available). The only special qualities a hand gun has is portability, concealability and lethality at close range. Which makes it a perfect murder weapon. It is also the perfect suicide weapon, with over 90% lethality. Both end uses cause human tragedies. Making it a human right to possess such a tool is not rational.

Now, I admit I used the word 'psychopath' to describe Seth. However, this is an honest appraisal rather than a gratuitous insult. Seth is a strange person, and his comments on this and other threads are entirely consistent with mental illness, and probably with psychopathy.
Lie, lie, lie--bald faced lie.

Blind groper wrote:On the love of guns. Yes, I will use words like 'religious', and 'nutter'. That is because those words describe the syndrome very well. Just as people in my country are often very 'religious' in their attitude to rugby football, so a lot of Americans, including many on this thread, are 'religious' in their approach to firearms. I feel no shame in using the term 'gun nutter', since so many American gun enthusiasts describe themselves as 'gun nutters'. If it is OK for them to self describe that way, it seems OK for me.
The only "syndrome", is inside of your head.
Very well laid out rebuttal. :roll:
Doesn't deserve more than that.
Doesn't change anything either.
Blind groper is a fucking liar and he's being enabled by the blind eye of the staff.
I don't think being a liar is against our rules. :ask:
I also think him being a liar is a matter of opinion.
No, being a liar is fact, not an opinion.
He's a liar and what's pertinent is whether pointing that out is against the rules or not.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:43 am

Kristie wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
Blind groper wrote:I think this hostility to the United Nations by less enlightened Americans is very sad. The UN is, of course, an imperfect mechanism, but it still has the potential to do a great deal of good in the world. It has no military power, of course, and its members act so as to keep things that way. As a result, when the United States acts to sabotage its good works, it cannot act effectively. Very sad.
"Less enlightened"
Fuck your passive aggressive backhand elitist ridicule.

The US is not like the rest of you. We think and do things differently--we don't want to be like you, we expect you to be like us or fuck off.
Just wanted to mention that as a member of the US, I do not endorse this message.
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Re: Guns used for lawful self defense

Post by Gallstones » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:44 am

So Kristie, what about the different standards, staff allowing Blind groper to post insult after insult with no mod action, while suspending Seth for in kind?
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