Guns used for lawful self defense

[Jason]

Very nice It's one of my favourite rifles.

[Blind groper]

Yeah, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, Ben Franklin, and all the rest sure were "blithering idiots." What WERE they thinking, stockpiling all those weapons to use against King George?

They did not, as individuals, stockpile weapons. Instead they used clever propaganda to persuade ordinary people to become cannon fodda, carrying their own weapons and ammunition.

No you wouldn't, you'd be on your knees sucking cock after turning in your "sporting rifle" in return for food and medicine because you don't have the necessary tools to be a partisan, much less the will or training.

My father volunteered for WWII. He was one of the first echelon of volunteers, and spent more than four years fighting. He won the Military Medal and bar. He had some interesting things to tell me. One was that no-one can hate war as much as a soldier can, because only a soldier truly understands its true horror. I guess Gawdzilla could comment on that.

Anyway, the point is that I am my father's son, and I would do what was needed, in spite of any Seth idiotic views.

[Jason]

Niggle: It's cannon fodder as in fodder (food) for the enemy guns. Unless you slipped into some dialect or other.

[Blind groper]

fodda/fodder potato/potahto

Just being cute.

[Gallstones]

There are some soldiers who enjoy war because they can kill.
Unless I have been told a lie.

[JimC]

There are some soldiers who enjoy war because they can kill.
Unless I have been told a lie.

From what I've read, not a very high proportion, though I'm sure there are some.

Best for the civilian population of their country if they are amongst the ones who don't return - the killing habit will still be there...

[Gallstones]

There are some soldiers who enjoy war because they can kill.
Unless I have been told a lie.

From what I've read, not a very high proportion, though I'm sure there are some.

Best for the civilian population of their country if they are amongst the ones who don't return - the killing habit will still be there...

Maybe, maybe not.
Is it like a switch, but one that once turned on can not be turned off?

[JimC]

There are some soldiers who enjoy war because they can kill.
Unless I have been told a lie.

From what I've read, not a very high proportion, though I'm sure there are some.

Best for the civilian population of their country if they are amongst the ones who don't return - the killing habit will still be there...

Maybe, maybe not.
Is it like a switch, but one that once turned on can not be turned off?

If they truly enjoy killing, it would be part of them, and not something that could be switched off. I imagine it would be valuable to a military force in some contexts, but problematic. Probably better in general to have cool professionals...

Anyway, the whole argument is different to civilians using weapons for self-defence. I'm not a pacifist, and realise that military and law enforcement members need to be able to use firearms effectively.

[Jason]

Look. Nobody enjoys killing. But, hell, if you have to kill you might as well enjoy it.

[Blind groper]

Pord.
In Australia and NZ we have a phrase for people like you. Bloody stirrer!

[FBM]

... That's me:

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Don't know why it's displaying upside down, I tried to rotate it and reload it three times. If some Mod could flip it around I'd appreciate it.

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I'm sure it looks fine to the Kiwis, Aussies and Dries.

Apparently, my netbook tethered to my smartphone won't pull that kind of juice. I'll see if I can talk one of the others into doing it. If not, I'll do it when I get back on a full-fledged thingy.

[FBM]

Good to finally have a back of the head to the name.

[FBM]

Posted in another thread, but relevant here, also:

The CDC has buttloads of interesting information:

Leading causes of deaths in the US.....guns near the bottom of the list...

From the CDC for 2005, published Dec 2009.

Very interesting stats. Everyone should have a read as it may change some misconceptions....maybe.....


#1 - Salmonella

#96 - Motor Vehicle Accidents

#99 - Accidental Falls

#100 - Accidental Discharge of Firearms

#101 - Accidental Drowning

#105 - Suicide by Firearm

#106 - Suicide by other means

#107 - Homicide by firearm

#108 - Homicide by other instrument

#113 - Complications of Medical Care

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_08.pdf

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[Blind groper]

FBM

Your table is very misleading, and should not be used to make a point. In fact, the leading cause of all deaths in the USA is heart disease at 27%. Salmonella is just the leading cause of death from infectious causes, and is way, way, down on the list of all causes. The other items on your list will also be well out of place.

There is no argument about guns not being at the top, except for certain age groups,(mainly young people, where they are in the top 4). However, it would help if you checked your sources a bit better before posting.

[Seth]

Yeah, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, Ben Franklin, and all the rest sure were "blithering idiots." What WERE they thinking, stockpiling all those weapons to use against King George?

They did not, as individuals, stockpile weapons.

How do you know?

Instead they used clever propaganda to persuade ordinary people to become cannon fodda, carrying their own weapons and ammunition.

And look what they got: a new nation founded on liberty and the ass-end view of a tyrant. Worked out pretty well for them...and everybody else.

No you wouldn't, you'd be on your knees sucking cock after turning in your "sporting rifle" in return for food and medicine because you don't have the necessary tools to be a partisan, much less the will or training.

My father volunteered for WWII. He was one of the first echelon of volunteers, and spent more than four years fighting. He won the Military Medal and bar. He had some interesting things to tell me.

Good for him. He has my respect. You do not.

One was that no-one can hate war as much as a soldier can, because only a soldier truly understands its true horror. I guess Gawdzilla could comment on that.

Yup. War is hell, but there's a worse hell reserved for people who are not willing or able to go to war when it's necessary to do so to preserve their freedoms; it's called "slavery." That's what you've got right now. Your chains may appear to be made of gold, but that's an illusion that can change, like an alchemists miracle, in the blink of an eye, and then YOU get to experience the worst hell of all.

Not me. I can be killed, but I cannot be enslaved. And I can take a few of the tyrant's minions with me to be my side-boys in Valhalla.

You are just completely fucked.

Anyway, the point is that I am my father's son, and I would do what was needed, in spite of any Seth idiotic views.

Yeah, sure. But you're not your father, and if you were my son, I'd disown you for the cowardice and ignorance you've shown here. At least he understood the need to use deadly force from time to time, something you simply don't have a clue about.