Petreausgate

[Kristie]

As long as she isn't a US government official she can do whatever she wants within the law.

Everyone can do whatever they want within the law. It's the last three words there that count.

Yup. I think there's a roiling discontent within the nation that is animated by the suspicion that the ruling class is either moving the line of 'within the law' or ignoring it completely.

Obama and the Democrats would never do that, would they?

No more so than any other person or group with power.

[Gerald McGrew]

Yes, really. You asked for links to news sources which discussed that suggestion. I presented several.

So again, what exactly do you think this might be a smokescreen for?

No. I wrote what I meant.

So just military people giving their friends access. Ok.

Sure you have. Your constant suggestion that this is all just a GlenBeckish conspiracy theory. You keep on about it.

Your failure to list a single instance of me even suggesting that this shouldn't be talked about is noted.

LOL -- the only thing you suggested was evidence that it wasn't kept secret was the shirtless FBI agent's telephone call to Cantor. It absolutely was kept secret until after the election. What there is no evidence of at this point was whether that was in any way purposeful, or whether it was standard operating procedure.

But that isn't me doing nothing but calling you Glen Beck, is it? Your lie has been documented.

[amused]

As long as she isn't a US government official she can do whatever she wants within the law.

Everyone can do whatever they want within the law. It's the last three words there that count.

Yup. I think there's a roiling discontent within the nation that is animated by the suspicion that the ruling class is either moving the line of 'within the law' or ignoring it completely.

Obama and the Democrats would never do that, would they?

Oh come on CES, rise above that. Pretty much the entire US congress is taking campaign contributions from multi-national corporations like Halliburton, Ford, General Motors, General Electric, DuPont..... fucking DuPont...

It's not a party problem.

[Gerald McGrew]

No more so than any other person or group with power.

It's not a party problem.

Sorry, but you two aren't being partisan enough. Everyone knows it's only the other guys who do bad things.

[Coito ergo sum]

As long as she isn't a US government official she can do whatever she wants within the law.

Everyone can do whatever they want within the law. It's the last three words there that count.

Yup. I think there's a roiling discontent within the nation that is animated by the suspicion that the ruling class is either moving the line of 'within the law' or ignoring it completely.

Obama and the Democrats would never do that, would they?

No more so than any other person or group with power.

LOL -- so much for "change."

[Coito ergo sum]

Yes, really. You asked for links to news sources which discussed that suggestion. I presented several.

So again, what exactly do you think this might be a smokescreen for?

I already explained what I thought was "possible" and what has been talked about in the press. And, I have no idea whether any of that is true or false. Just go back up the thread and read what I wrote when I answered this before. And, apparently Mr. Broadwell has some other ideas as well.

No. I wrote what I meant.

So just military people giving their friends access. Ok.

Just what I wrote. Not just what you wrote.

Sure you have. Your constant suggestion that this is all just a GlenBeckish conspiracy theory. You keep on about it.

Your failure to list a single instance of me even suggesting that this shouldn't be talked about is noted.

Your constant harangue that this is GlenBeckish nonsense is exactly that. There's no other reason for you to keep going on and on about it. You're derailing and disrupting the thread.

LOL -- the only thing you suggested was evidence that it wasn't kept secret was the shirtless FBI agent's telephone call to Cantor. It absolutely was kept secret until after the election. What there is no evidence of at this point was whether that was in any way purposeful, or whether it was standard operating procedure.

But that isn't me doing nothing but calling you Glen Beck, is it? Your lie has been documented.

Sure, I was writing using colloquial usage. Not every sentence of yours involved accusations of "Glenbeckish conspiracies," I'll give you that literally. However, overall, you're efforts have been to disrupt, inflame, attack, and derail.

And, now you're accusation of "lie" -- more nonsense from a person who for some reason has an emotional investment in the idea that there is nothing to see here.

[Coito ergo sum]

As long as she isn't a US government official she can do whatever she wants within the law.

Everyone can do whatever they want within the law. It's the last three words there that count.

Yup. I think there's a roiling discontent within the nation that is animated by the suspicion that the ruling class is either moving the line of 'within the law' or ignoring it completely.

Obama and the Democrats would never do that, would they?

Oh come on CES, rise above that. Pretty much the entire US congress is taking campaign contributions from multi-national corporations like Halliburton, Ford, General Motors, General Electric, DuPont..... fucking DuPont...

It's not a party problem.

Rise above what? I just asked if Obama and the Democrats would never do that. Thanks for acknowledging that they would.

[Coito ergo sum]

No more so than any other person or group with power.

It's not a party problem.

Sorry, but you two aren't being partisan enough. Everyone knows it's only the other guys who do bad things.

Seriously. What bad things do the Democrats and Obama do? I'd like to know what you're accusing them of.

[amused]

The single thing that would do the most to improve our government and make it truly representative would be to get rid of gerrymandered US congressional districts, for both parties. As it is now, 85-90% of all incumbents are re-elected because of gerrymandering. That makes them totally immune to having to be responsive to their own constituents and lets them pander to special interests alone.

[Jesus_of_Nazareth]

Socialite is polite for unpaid hooker.

Seeing pics of his wife who can really blame him........

[Kristie]

Seeing pics of his wife who can really blame him........

That was my first thought.

[Coito ergo sum]

Seeing pics of his wife who can really blame him........

That was my first thought.

Hottie, yes.

[Gerald McGrew]

I already explained what I thought was "possible" and what has been talked about in the press. And, I have no idea whether any of that is true or false.

No idea if what you've posted is true or total bullshit, eh? Well done.

And, apparently Mr. Broadwell has some other ideas as well.

Of course he does. It can't just be that his daughter is a whore...it must be a conspiracy!!

Your constant harangue that this is GlenBeckish nonsense is exactly that. There's no other reason for you to keep going on and on about it.

See, this is what is absolutely hilarious here. You start a thread by "just asking questions" that includes suggestions of a gov't conspiracy (a "smokescreen" for....something) even though you have absolutely no idea if it's true or made up bullshit. I laughingly point out, "Hey, you're doing the exact same thing as Glen Beck on this issue", and to you that's evidence that I "don't want this talked about".

And that makes sense to you?

You're derailing and disrupting the thread...However, overall, you're efforts have been to disrupt, inflame, attack, and derail.

Looks to me like you're being made fun of and have no idea how to handle it at all. Poor baby.

And, now you're accusation of "lie" -- more nonsense from a person who for some reason has an emotional investment in the idea that there is nothing to see here.

There it is again. Hilarious.

[Gerald McGrew]

So Petraeus is testifying today. Guess we can file that whole, "This was a smokescreen so he wouldn't have to testify before Congress" thing in the "bullshit" folder.

[Ian]

The single thing that would do the most to improve our government and make it truly representative would be to get rid of gerrymandered US congressional districts, for both parties. As it is now, 85-90% of all incumbents are re-elected because of gerrymandering. That makes them totally immune to having to be responsive to their own constituents and lets them pander to special interests alone.

Concur 100%. Maybe 200%.
Democratic House candidates got more votes nationwide than Republican house candidates, yet, the GOP still has a solid majority in the House. The biggest reason for this by far (if not the sole reason worth looking at) is Gerrymandering.

Check out Ohio: It has 16 Congressional districts, and last Tuesday Ohio voters cast 2.5 million votes for Republican candidates and 2.3 million votes for Democratic candidates. But Ohio will have 4 Democratic Congressmen and 12 Republican Congressmen.

So, how the hell does that happen? Like this: (An explanation of Gerrymandering for beginners and/or non_Americans: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/P ... tml#item-5 )

Some states, such as California, have appointed nonpartisan commissions to draw up their congressional districts. Sounds like something which should be done nationally, IMO.