U.K. is not a synonym of England

[Horwood Beer-Master]

Ireland is made up of Ireland, Eire, the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, the north of Ireland, the twenty six counties and the six counties, down south and the province, British occupied Ireland, the dubs and Crossmaglen.

Britain is made up of the jocks and the geordies, the sassenachs, the jockstraps, the English, the Welsh, the Scottish, the Cornish, the Brummies, the scousers, the taffs, the pakis, the paddys, the sheepshaggers, the mussies, the cockneys, the football fans, the manu fans.

The British Isles groans under the weight of all this knuckfucklery.

Yup, we'd better send the Paddies back.

Maybe we could send over the Brummies at the same time; anything to not ever have to listen to that horrid fucking accent again in my life...



Also your list missed off the Pikeys.

[HomerJay]

Scoti
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Scoti or Scotti was the generic name used by the Romans to describe those who sailed from Ireland to conduct raids on Roman Britain. It was thus synonymous with the modern term Gaels. The earliest instance of the term Scot(t)i occurs in the appendix to the Laterculus Veronensis, dated to c.314. Previously Latin authors designated the inhabitants of Ireland as Hiberni. Thereafter, periodic raids by Scot(t)i are reported by several later fourth-/early fifth-century Latin authors, namely Pacatus, Ammianus Marcellinus, Claudian and the Chronica Gallica of 452. Two references to Scot(t)i have recently been identified in Greek literature (as Σκόττοι), in the works of Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, writing in the 370s. The fragmentary evidence suggests an intensification of Irish raiding from the early 360s, culminating in the so-called "barbarian conspiracy" of 367-8, and continuing, if episodic hostilities up to and beyond the end of direct Roman rule c.410. The location and frequency of attacks by Scotti remain uncertain, as do the origin and identity of the Irish population-groups who participated in these raids. In the fifth century, some of these raiders established the kingdom of Dál Riata, outside the former Roman province, along the west coast of Scotland. As this kingdom expanded in size and influence, the name was applied to all its subjects – hence the modern terms Scot, Scottish and Scotland.

Scotland takes its name from Scotus which in Latin translates into Irishman (masculine form of Scoti). This is in reference to the Gaelic settlers from Ireland which was named Scotia (feminine form of Scoti) during this Epoch. The settlers from Ireland in nowadays Scotland were known as Scoti

No surprise the Catlicks in Scotland are supporting the call for Independence.

First they stole Isleland from the British Isles, now they are stealing Scotland, next it will be Liverpool.

[surreptitious57]

Ireland is made up of the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, the twenty six counties and the six counties

Maybe we could send over the Brummies at the same time anything to not ever have to listen to that horrid fucking accent

I am from Birmingham but do not have an accent - you just have to take my word on that now. And as an Englishman of Irish ancestry - mother from Mayo, father from Roscommon - I do not recognise any British claim on the old country. For me, the United Kingdom is England, Scotland and Wales. Ireland belongs to the Irish, all thirty two counties of it. There is no gold or oil in the North, and even if there was, that would still not give the British any claim on it. Look at it on a map. It is an island. It has zero borders. It belongs to itself and no one else. When Irish independence was granted in 1922, the British hung on to the six counties because they had the largest Protestant majority, and it has been that way ever since. But they should have handed it all over. Had they done so, The Troubles may never have happened. Give it back I say. Anyone who does want to be ruled from Dublin can be repatriated to Scotland, courtesy of the British taxpayer. I know it will not happen, least not in my lifetime, but that however does not alter the fact that it would be the right thing to do

[ronmcd]

Anyone who does want to be ruled from Dublin can be repatriated to Scotland, courtesy of the British taxpayer.

No thanks.

[Red Celt]

Ireland is made up of the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, the twenty six counties and the six counties

Maybe we could send over the Brummies at the same time anything to not ever have to listen to that horrid fucking accent

I am from Birmingham but do not have an accent - you just have to take my word on that now. And as an Englishman of Irish ancestry - mother from Mayo, father from Roscommon - I do not recognise any British claim on the old country. For me, the United Kingdom is England, Scotland and Wales. Ireland belongs to the Irish, all thirty two counties of it. There is no gold or oil in the North, and even if there was, that would still not give the British any claim on it. Look at it on a map. It is an island. It has zero borders. It belongs to itself and no one else. When Irish independence was granted in 1922, the British hung on to the six counties because they had the largest Protestant majority, and it has been that way ever since. But they should have handed it all over. Had they done so, The Troubles may never have happened. Give it back I say. Anyone who does want to be ruled from Dublin can be repatriated to Scotland, courtesy of the British taxpayer. I know it will not happen, least not in my lifetime, but that however does not alter the fact that it would be the right thing to do

Damn. You heard the man. U.S.A., Canada & Mexico... merge into one country now, damnit! Because a coastline has to be a border, no matter who lives where.

You really have to read some history books if you believe the above to be true. The Troubles would still have very much happened, but it would have been the Republic of Ireland's police and military who would have had to deal with all of the bloodshed - while trying to stop two groups of people who hated each other from killing each other.

[laklak]

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[surreptitious57]

Ireland is made up of the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, the twenty six counties and the six counties

send over the Brummies at the same time anything to not ever have to listen to that horrid fucking accent

I am from Birmingham but do not have an accent - you just have to take my word on that now. And as an Englishman of Irish ancestry - mother from Mayo, father from Roscommon - I do not recognise any British claim on the old country. For me, the United Kingdom is England, Scotland and Wales. Ireland belongs to the Irish, all thirty two counties of it. There is no gold or oil in the North, and even if there was, that would still not give the British any claim on it. Look at it on a map. It is an island. It has zero borders. It belongs to itself and no one else. When Irish independence was granted in 1922, the British hung on to the six counties because they had the largest Protestant majority, and it has been that way ever since. But they should have handed it all over. Had they done so, The Troubles may never have happened. Give it back I say. Anyone who does want to be ruled from Dublin can be repatriated to Scotland, courtesy of the British taxpayer. I know it will not happen, least not in my lifetime, but that however does not alter the fact that it would be the right thing to do

U.S.A. Canada Mexico . . merge into one country now, damnit! Because a coastline has to be a border

But I am not suggesting that all coastlines have to be borders now, only that this particular one should be. Ireland is way smaller than any of those other countries and with a smaller population too and most of it is indigenous as well

[Red Celt]

But I am not suggesting that all coastlines have to be borders now, only that this particular one should be. Ireland is way smaller than any of those other countries and with a smaller population too and most of it is indigenous as well

Well, now... that all depends upon your meaning of indigenous. One particular group of indigenous people strongly believe themselves to be British, above and beyond being Irish. You can ignore that indigenous group, but you'll have a (further) bloodbath on your hands.

If we could invent a time-machine and go back in time and prevent the "anglification" (mostly, they were Scots) of the Northern counties... it would solve the problem. You'd have one island, called Ireland - with everyone in the same country. Well, we don't have a time-machine and we have to live with the consequences of the acts of people who lived hundreds of years ago. The compromise has been messy (to say the very least), but we're playing with a shitty hand of cards and there's no easy way out of the game.

Eventually (hopefully) the Protestant/Catholic divide will be lost... and everyone on the island will (relatively) happily live in a merged country. Until that happens, we'll do our best to hope that they stop killing each other long enough to realise that a united Ireland is their best choice. They've been making good progress in recent years. Fingers crossed that it continues.

But please, in the meantime, claiming that a border should be dictated by a shoreline is a nonsense when a large proportion of the people within that shoreline disagree with you.

[devogue]

Eventually (hopefully) the Protestant/Catholic divide will be lost... and everyone on the island will (relatively) happily live in a merged country. Until that happens, we'll do our best to hope that they stop killing each other long enough to realise that a united Ireland is their best choice.

The interesting thing is that most Northern Irish people (whether they admit to it or not) have more in common with their British neighbours than those in the Republic. A lot of this has to do with the mainstream media being British - the BBC, the national daily papers etc (go in to a newsagent in the most nationalist towns in Northern Ireland and you will see The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express etc in huge quantities - and a tiny amount of "southern" papers).

There is practically no interest in the Republic's politics in the north on the both sides of the community and there is next to no interest in cultural activities in the south (of the sort that can't also be found in the north). Northern Ireland has a very particular culture and mindset - if I'm being totally honest (as an erstwhile nationalist), I have far more in common with an Englishman than I do with a Kerryman - in terms of political, sporting, cultural and lifestyle interests. I think a lot of nationalists bang a gong for unification without realising how very different they are from those they want to unite with, and how similar they are to those they have a problem with.

However, I do think that the people of Northern Ireland would do well to sign up to a federal system within the island of Ireland - the unique cultural and historical parts of NI culture held so dear (and which I think are complete shite) would be forever protected, while the benefits of a future revival of the Celtic Tiger would benefit all the people of the island. Better that than being the weird 1/60th rump of the UK NI is now.

Anyway, fuck it for the hole it is. Long live New Zealand!

[klr]

Eventually (hopefully) the Protestant/Catholic divide will be lost... and everyone on the island will (relatively) happily live in a merged country. Until that happens, we'll do our best to hope that they stop killing each other long enough to realise that a united Ireland is their best choice.

The interesting thing is that most Northern Irish people (whether they admit to it or not) have more in common with their British neighbours than those in the Republic. A lot of this has to do with the mainstream media being British - the BBC, the national daily papers etc (go in to a newsagent in the most nationalist towns in Northern Ireland and you will see The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express etc in huge quantities - and a tiny amount of "southern" papers).

There is practically no interest in the Republic's politics in the north on the both sides of the community and there is next to no interest in cultural activities in the south (of the sort that can't also be found in the north). Northern Ireland has a very particular culture and mindset - if I'm being totally honest (as an erstwhile nationalist), I have far more in common with an Englishman than I do with a Kerryman - in terms of political, sporting, cultural and lifestyle interests. I think a lot of nationalists bang a gong for unification without realising how very different they are from those they want to unite with, and how similar they are to those they have a problem with.

However, I do think that the people of Northern Ireland would do well to sign up to a federal system within the island of Ireland - the unique cultural and historical parts of NI culture held so dear (and which I think are complete shite) would be forever protected, while the benefits of a future revival of the Celtic Tiger would benefit all the people of the island. Better that than being the weird 1/60th rump of the UK NI is now.

Anyway, fuck it for the hole it is. Long live New Zealand!

The reverse is also the case. I don't give a tinker's cuss what happens in Stormont, or deepest, darkest Ballymena.

[Cormac]

But I am not suggesting that all coastlines have to be borders now, only that this particular one should be. Ireland is way smaller than any of those other countries and with a smaller population too and most of it is indigenous as well

Well, now... that all depends upon your meaning of indigenous. One particular group of indigenous people strongly believe themselves to be British, above and beyond being Irish. You can ignore that indigenous group, but you'll have a (further) bloodbath on your hands.

If we could invent a time-machine and go back in time and prevent the "anglification" (mostly, they were Scots) of the Northern counties... it would solve the problem. You'd have one island, called Ireland - with everyone in the same country. Well, we don't have a time-machine and we have to live with the consequences of the acts of people who lived hundreds of years ago. The compromise has been messy (to say the very least), but we're playing with a shitty hand of cards and there's no easy way out of the game.

Eventually (hopefully) the Protestant/Catholic divide will be lost... and everyone on the island will (relatively) happily live in a merged country. Until that happens, we'll do our best to hope that they stop killing each other long enough to realise that a united Ireland is their best choice. They've been making good progress in recent years. Fingers crossed that it continues.

But please, in the meantime, claiming that a border should be dictated by a shoreline is a nonsense when a large proportion of the people within that shoreline disagree with you.

Can I just point out that this is not quite historically accurate.

For example, the leadership of the 1798 rebellion by the United Irishmen was lead by Presbyterians and other protestants.

It was the success of this movement in uniting all faiths that led to the deliberate political creation and fostering of sectarianism.

Sectarianism had, of course, existed and still did. But here was a fully national movement that sought liberty and freedom - in 1798. It explicitly declared against sectarianism, and this was its most dangerous aspect. It undermined a deliberately fostered policy of divide and rule, and it had to be defeated.

[klr]

Yup. 1798 was a historical turning point that failed to turn, as the saying goes. What a pity.

[Cormac]

Eventually (hopefully) the Protestant/Catholic divide will be lost... and everyone on the island will (relatively) happily live in a merged country. Until that happens, we'll do our best to hope that they stop killing each other long enough to realise that a united Ireland is their best choice.

The interesting thing is that most Northern Irish people (whether they admit to it or not) have more in common with their British neighbours than those in the Republic. A lot of this has to do with the mainstream media being British - the BBC, the national daily papers etc (go in to a newsagent in the most nationalist towns in Northern Ireland and you will see The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express etc in huge quantities - and a tiny amount of "southern" papers).

There is practically no interest in the Republic's politics in the north on the both sides of the community and there is next to no interest in cultural activities in the south (of the sort that can't also be found in the north). Northern Ireland has a very particular culture and mindset - if I'm being totally honest (as an erstwhile nationalist), I have far more in common with an Englishman than I do with a Kerryman - in terms of political, sporting, cultural and lifestyle interests. I think a lot of nationalists bang a gong for unification without realising how very different they are from those they want to unite with, and how similar they are to those they have a problem with.

However, I do think that the people of Northern Ireland would do well to sign up to a federal system within the island of Ireland - the unique cultural and historical parts of NI culture held so dear (and which I think are complete shite) would be forever protected, while the benefits of a future revival of the Celtic Tiger would benefit all the people of the island. Better that than being the weird 1/60th rump of the UK NI is now.

Anyway, fuck it for the hole it is. Long live New Zealand!

As it happens, Southern Irish people have more in common with English people than they do with people 60 miles away in their own country. For many of the same reasons.