Lord Mcalpine is NOT a Paedophile

[ronmcd]

Wtf, McD?

What are these "experts" ?
Do you know of a qualification in telling when someone is lying, or telling the truth?
Because I don't. You could do a ten year University course, and be no better than you are today.

History is riddled with clever people being taken in by the most unsophisticated liars. As far as I'm concerned, the best guide is their track record, and this guy has been proved a liar from a long time back.
For me, that means I would need proof for ANYTHING that he claimed.

I can't tell if he's lying from listening to him talking. I can't tell if he's not. All I DO get from listening to him, is that he's enjoying the limelight, enjoying being somebody important. And that doesn't clash with him inventing stuff. That's actually the reason why many people do lie and lie.

It's not about being "tough", it's about being sceptical. The opposite of which is gullible.

No, being sceptical is fine. I'm sceptical about everything. I am basing my opinion on what we have been told: he apparently was a victim of abuse. I've no reason to disbelieve him, or assume that he must have been lying. For some reason.

You arent being sceptical, neutral, above the fray - you are smearing one of those who it appears was a victim of abuse. Other than adopting an angry finger-pointing and insulting persona on a forum, I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that.

[mistermack]

I'm sceptical about everything. I am basing my opinion on what we have been told:

That's an absolute classic !
Can I use it in my signature? Pleeeeeeese?

[Jesus_of_Nazareth]

When I was a child I was RAPED by the Queen Mum and Shergar.

FACT.

I did tell a nice lady called Diana - and look what happened to her...........

[mistermack]

When I was a child I was RAPED by the Queen Mum and Shergar.

FACT.

Are you sure? Are you absolutely sure that you weren't shown a photo of Arthur Scargill and Lassie, and told by police that it was the Queen Mum and Shergar?
These things do happen, you know !

[Jesus_of_Nazareth]

Them too.

[Arse]

MisterMack - he's not the only one making allegations of abuse at that particular care home during that time period. Either there was genuinely something wrong at that home, or they were all sent to the same therapist or social worker and ended up victims of false memory syndrome. Don't forget this was the same era which produced false allegations against families in the Orkney Islands, Norfolk and elsewhere due to the Satanic Ritual Abuse crowd.

A bunch of kids in the same care home - its not beyond belief that they may all have been sent to the same therapist or dealt with by the same social worker. Its also not beyond belief that paedophiles would seek out jobs in children's homes.

[klr]

MacD - he's not the only one making allegations of abuse at that particular care home during that time period. Either there was genuinely something wrong at that home, or they were all sent to the same therapist or social worker and ended up victims of false memory syndrome. Don't forget this was the same era which produced false allegations against families in the Orkney Islands, Norfolk and elsewhere due to the Satanic Ritual Abuse crowd.

A bunch of kids in the same care home - its not beyond belief that they may all have been sent to the same therapist or dealt with by the same social worker. Its also not beyond belief that paedophiles would seek out jobs in children's homes.

That, I think, must qualify as the understatement of the week - which you doubtless meant it as. We've certainly seen enough evidence in Ireland of paedophiles and sadists ending up in positions where they could do the most damage.

[Arse]

We have, klr, but thankfully Ireland has seen less of the other type of damage I'm talking about. At the time these allegations were building up in Britain the dodgy SRA crowd had made such inroads into the UK's child welfare community that one of them was the head of the Ethics board for the British Medical Association, and another is still receiving tax payers money through the Department of Health. The results of their ability to project their delusions onto children and vulnerable mental patients saw police swooping in to snatch children from their homes in dawn raids, innocent parents accused and frequently imprisoned too.

That's why I'm not only skeptical of the claims of abuse being made here, but also not willing to jump to the conclusion that this guy is a malicious false accuser. He may well be a victim - whether of a paedophile or of a therapist/social worker with an agenda I don't know.

[Jesus_of_Nazareth]

According the news - Lord Macalpine has got £185k from the BBC for damages to his reputation.

Which I think is fair enough - as I whenever I hear his name in future I will be thinking "Paedo" (even though I now know better).

and my bet is that he won't be getting much future work in the baby sitting business........