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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by Pappa » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:36 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Coito ergo sum wrote:Fast forward to September 2016 -- Gawdzilla quote, "Obama couldn't be expected to fix the economy in only 8 years. It's all Bush's fault!"
Stillgot nothing I see.

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Post by trdsf » Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:29 am

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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by JimC » Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:39 am

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In any other democracy on the planet, Obama would join with as far left as he could go.
Your absurd insularity is showing...

Most democratic systems (including Oz) have a spectrum of political thought far broader than the US, and certainly including political groupings that make Obama look like a member of the tea party...

There is a world outside Amerika...
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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by trdsf » Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:53 am

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trdsf wrote:So, in rough outline, here's what I think is going to happen. In 2014, the GOP will be reduced to a razor-thin majority in the House, and may even lose their majority entirely. There will be no significant movement in the Senate -- maybe one or two seats will be GOP pickups, but the Democratic majority won't be seriously threatened.
I wouldn't count on it. Remember all the premature declarations that the GOP was dead after 2008? That they had been reduced to a "regional party" of the South? They came roaring back in 2010, didn't they? Of course it was because so many on the left didn't vote and the conservative base was fired up about Obama, but it happened nevertheless.

The only way this trend continues is if the Democratic base votes in off-year elections.
That can be headed off -- the point is to make sure the new voters don't leave, and to keep bringing in more. Basically, we need to apply Obama's superb GOTV machine to the off-year elections. And while we're at it, turn Big Dog loose to get the base fired up. There really isn't a more natural and comfortable campaigner than Bill Clinton.

Funny thing is, if you look at the county-by-county results, what's more interesting are not the broad swathes of sparsely-populated red counties, but the streak of blue that runs right through the heart of the Deep South. This is the sign that Nixon's deal with the devil, his Southern Strategy, is running out of time; the old segregated South is dying off and a modern multiracial South is more or less becoming the norm.

Ultimately, we may end up with two regional parties out of the old GOP, with the libertarian wing taking up residence in the high plains and mountain states, and the social conservatives in the deep South, and neither one of them able to build broad national appeal.
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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by Rum » Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:54 am

Jim is right. By any measure pretty well outside Merica Obama would be seen as a Conservative and the Republics far right!

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Post by trdsf » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:31 am

Rum wrote:Jim is right. By any measure pretty well outside Merica Obama would be seen as a Conservative and the Republics far right!
Indeed. I have a couple online friends from the UK who look at the modern GOP in much the same way they look at the BNP and UKIP -- and are horrified that a party like that is a major party here and not a fringe group. I find it increasingly hard to disagree with them.
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Re: Merica does it right!

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Rum wrote:Jim is right. By any measure pretty well outside Merica Obama would be seen as a Conservative and the Republics far right!
Anybody with a decent education knows that.
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Pensioner, this is a reminder regarding your post here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0#p1313146
Please be aware that there is a rule against personal attacks and a play nice rule in all circumstances: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3449


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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:11 pm

Where's mine? :lay:
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Re: Merica does it right!

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Mousy wrote:Pensioner, this is a reminder regarding your post here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0#p1313146
Please be aware that there is a rule against personal attacks and a play nice rule in all circumstances: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3449

Not a cat in hells chance of me playing nice when you mods allow a racist arsole to make a comment like this “The KKK only lynched about 3500 niggers in it's history.” Despicable comments like that one do not disserve any protection from your rules.
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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:01 pm

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Mousy wrote:Pensioner, this is a reminder regarding your post here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0#p1313146
Please be aware that there is a rule against personal attacks and a play nice rule in all circumstances: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3449

Not a cat in hells chance of me playing nice when you mods allow a racist arsole to make a comment like this “The KKK only lynched about 3500 niggers in it's history.” Despicable comments like that one do not disserve any protection from your rules.
:dis: I will not play nice with racist donkeysuckers.
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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by JimC » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:53 pm

Pensioner wrote:
Mousy wrote:Pensioner, this is a reminder regarding your post here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0#p1313146
Please be aware that there is a rule against personal attacks and a play nice rule in all circumstances: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3449

Not a cat in hells chance of me playing nice when you mods allow a racist arsole to make a comment like this “The KKK only lynched about 3500 niggers in it's history.” Despicable comments like that one do not disserve any protection from your rules.
The comments, and the attitude behind them, certainly don't deserve protection...

AND THE RULES DONT GIVE THEM PROTECTION!

His views can be given a very robust rebuttal e.g. "These comments are appalling, ignorant and completely abhorrent"

Some people would like to have some system where such views are not allowed to be expressed on a forum such as ours. I disagree; better to have them out in the open, where they can be subjected to a merciless dissection, rather like Cali savaging creationist viewpoints...

But all this is possible without personal attacks on the poster himself...
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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:57 pm

How about a double tap? Nothing personal.

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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by Tyrannical » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:22 pm

I'm sorry that some of you find my historically accurate comments offensive.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.

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Re: Merica does it right!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:35 pm

Tyrannical wrote:I'm sorry that some of you find my historically accurate comments offensive.
No, it's you.
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