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Re: Election Day, USA!

Post by Warren Dew » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:02 pm

PordFrefect wrote:2016 GOP presidential candidate: Condy Rice - She's black, she has mountains of experience, she has a vagina.

Win.
Pity she hates politics.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:23 pm

The Right is frothing at the mouth.
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Post by Ian » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:33 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The Right is frothing at the mouth.
http://www.theonion.com/video/after-oba ... f-p,30284/

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:35 pm

Ian wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The Right is frothing at the mouth.
http://www.theonion.com/video/after-oba ... f-p,30284/

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Post by Gerald McGrew » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:01 am

This is what happens when you live inside a self-created bubble where all your information comes from sources that distort reality to fit the narrative you want...

Adviser: Romney "shellshocked" by loss

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-575 ... atDoorHero
But it wasn't until the polls closed that concern turned into alarm. They expected North Carolina to be called early. It wasn't. They expected Pennsylvania to be up in the air all night; it went early for the President.

After Ohio went for Mr. Obama, it was over, but senior advisers say no one could process it.

"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

They just couldn't believe they had been so wrong.
Seriously? The results took them totally and completely by surprise? All they had to do was look at any number of composite models (fivethirtyeight, Princeton) or prediction markets (Intrade) to see that an Obama win was at the very least...fucking possible (let alone likely). But no...all the right-wing sources were telling them that Romney was ahead and a likely winner and apparently that's all they paid attention to. Well, that and...
Romney and his campaign had gone into the evening confident they had a good path to victory, for emotional and intellectual reasons. The huge and enthusiastic crowds in swing state after swing state in recent weeks - not only for Romney but also for Paul Ryan - bolstered what they believed intellectually: that Obama would not get the kind of turnout he had in 2008.
WTF? Romney had big crowds therefore Obama's supporters would stay home? Huh?
As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.

Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.

Those assessments were wrong.
So rather than even consider the possibility that all those other sources that have performed so well in the past might just be right, or even close to right, they constructed their own version of reality that told them what they wanted to hear, and based their campaign and expectations accordingly.

Fairly symptomatic of one of the main problems with today's conservatives, I'd say.
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Post by klr » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:07 am

It doesn't exactly mark Romney or his advisers down as good leadership material, does it? With judgement like that ...
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Post by Ian » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:34 am

Gerald McGrew wrote:
"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

They just couldn't believe they had been so wrong.

Fairly symptomatic of one of the main problems with today's conservatives, I'd say.
Indeed. This sounds like stuff you'd hear from an Onion article.

"I don't think there was one person who saw this coming"? And I thought it was just the Republican rank-and-file who liked living lala-land, enjoying a steady diet of wishful thinking. I guess it applies to their leadership too.

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Post by Ian » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:42 am

I don't intend to do much gloating over election results (satirical Onion articles are okay), but this is one point I always try to emphasize:
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Funny how that works out. Must be some kind of coincidence, some deeper explanation not apparent in the numbers, eh?

Another point: People who consider themselves "very religious" voted for Romney in overwhelming numbers, like 2-or-3 to 1 against Obama. Similarly, most people found on this website, whose only common characteristic is having enough appreciation of critical thought to become an atheist, were pulling for Obama. Coincidence?

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Post by hadespussercats » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:50 am

PordFrefect wrote:2016 GOP presidential candidate: Condy Rice - She's black, she has mountains of experience, she has a vagina.

Win.
That would interest me.

I like vaginas.
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Post by Pensioner » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:32 am

Ian wrote:I don't intend to do much gloating over election results (satirical Onion articles are okay), but this is one point I always try to emphasize:
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Funny how that works out. Must be some kind of coincidence, some deeper explanation not apparent in the numbers, eh?

Another point: People who consider themselves "very religious" voted for Romney in overwhelming numbers, like 2-or-3 to 1 against Obama. Similarly, most people found on this website, whose only common characteristic is having enough appreciation of critical thought to become an atheist, were pulling for Obama. Coincidence?
You gloat away Ian, if the boot had been on the other foot dont you think the dickheads would have gloated? :prof:
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Post by Jason » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:07 am

hadespussercats wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:2016 GOP presidential candidate: Condy Rice - She's black, she has mountains of experience, she has a vagina.

Win.
That would interest me.

I like vaginas.
I'm pretty sure the Republicans would win easily if they could convince her to run. As a bonus she's one of the few republicans even democrats don't hate.

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Post by JimC » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:25 am

Ian wrote:I don't intend to do much gloating over election results (satirical Onion articles are okay), but this is one point I always try to emphasize:
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Funny how that works out. Must be some kind of coincidence, some deeper explanation not apparent in the numbers, eh?

Another point: People who consider themselves "very religious" voted for Romney in overwhelming numbers, like 2-or-3 to 1 against Obama. Similarly, most people found on this website, whose only common characteristic is having enough appreciation of critical thought to become an atheist, were pulling for Obama. Coincidence?
They don't do much of that there college stuff in Nevada, but they sure has street smarts! :hehe:
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Post by Ayaan » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:29 am

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Post by Red Celt » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:33 am

Not me. I've managed to work my way up to page 10 on this site. I only took a break because the dog wants out.

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

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edit: Damn. There only are 10 pages. More inc, please! :)
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Re: Election Day, USA!

Post by Ian » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:50 am

JimC wrote: They don't do much of that there college stuff in Nevada, but they sure has street smarts! :hehe:
Nevada is Las Vegas plus "everything else". It's like a smaller version of Pennsylvania, which was moderately blue but didn't make the top ten list because of what its own "everything else" looks like. Democratic strategist James Carville once said "Pennsylvania is Philadelphia on one end, Pittsburg on the other end, and Alabama in between".

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