Nationalism. Is there an up side?

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Re: Nationalism. Is there an up side?

Post by Red Celt » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:01 pm

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Red Celt wrote: Ronmcd, do you ever get the feeling that no matter how many times you say something, some brains just aren't capable of absorbing your words?
I suspect I was seen to sigh and slump ever so slightly at my desk as I read this thread today ...
Perhaps it will work better in bigger print? A bit like a children's book... let's try.

It isn't about nationalism. It is about self-determination.

I'm not too optimistic.
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Re: Nationalism. Is there an up side?

Post by Robert_S » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:05 pm

Red Celt wrote:
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Red Celt wrote: Ronmcd, do you ever get the feeling that no matter how many times you say something, some brains just aren't capable of absorbing your words?
I suspect I was seen to sigh and slump ever so slightly at my desk as I read this thread today ...
Perhaps it will work better in bigger print? A bit like a children's book... let's try.

It isn't about nationalism. It is about self-determination.

I'm not too optimistic.
Maybe the OP was about the concept in general as it applies around the world rather than about a particular dispute.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Nationalism. Is there an up side?

Post by Red Celt » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:13 pm

Robert_S wrote:Maybe the OP was about the concept in general as it applies around the world rather than about a particular dispute.
Given the timeline, how long it takes to type a post and the comments immediately preceding the creation of this thread?

Bless you for your optimism about the human psyche. :)
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Post by Robert_S » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:22 pm

Red Celt wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Maybe the OP was about the concept in general as it applies around the world rather than about a particular dispute.
Given the timeline, how long it takes to type a post and the comments immediately preceding the creation of this thread?

Bless you for your optimism about the human psyche. :)
Oh, I'm sure the Scotland question had something to do with it, but what's wrong with widening the discussion?
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Red Celt » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:30 pm

Robert_S wrote:
Red Celt wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Maybe the OP was about the concept in general as it applies around the world rather than about a particular dispute.
Given the timeline, how long it takes to type a post and the comments immediately preceding the creation of this thread?

Bless you for your optimism about the human psyche. :)
Oh, I'm sure the Scotland question had something to do with it, but what's wrong with widening the discussion?
Oh, for sure... but keep in mind the 3 nationalist posts from the "anti-nationalist" that preceded the creation of this thread.
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Post by Thinking Aloud » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:56 pm

mistermack wrote:How are my times showing different to RCs?
If your board preferences (User Control Panel) are still on Daylight Saving it's possible you're an hour out. Or the other person is.

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Post by Robert_S » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:00 pm

Red Celt wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Red Celt wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Maybe the OP was about the concept in general as it applies around the world rather than about a particular dispute.
Given the timeline, how long it takes to type a post and the comments immediately preceding the creation of this thread?

Bless you for your optimism about the human psyche. :)
Oh, I'm sure the Scotland question had something to do with it, but what's wrong with widening the discussion?
Oh, for sure... but keep in mind the 3 nationalist posts from the "anti-nationalist" that preceded the creation of this thread.
I'm not paying that close attention to issues of Scottish independence or self determination.

I might, if someone were to make it interesting in a way other than concentrating on how horrible a certain individual is. But I just don't give a toss what happens either way right now and this is derailing an otherwise interesting discussion.

You have an answer to Zilla's question then?
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Red Celt » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:35 pm

Robert_S wrote:You have an answer to Zilla's question then?
You're asking me? Zilla's question was directed at Rum - and he still hasn't answered it (from what I saw).
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Post by charlou » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:38 pm

Robert_S wrote:
Red Celt wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Red Celt wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Maybe the OP was about the concept in general as it applies around the world rather than about a particular dispute.
Given the timeline, how long it takes to type a post and the comments immediately preceding the creation of this thread?

Bless you for your optimism about the human psyche. :)
Oh, I'm sure the Scotland question had something to do with it, but what's wrong with widening the discussion?
Oh, for sure... but keep in mind the 3 nationalist posts from the "anti-nationalist" that preceded the creation of this thread.
I'm not paying that close attention to issues of Scottish independence or self determination.

I might, if someone were to make it interesting in a way other than concentrating on how horrible a certain individual is. But I just don't give a toss what happens either way right now and this is derailing an otherwise interesting discussion.

You have an answer to Zilla's question then?
Seems to me Red Celt is referring to Rum's repeated use of "Jock", an inflamatory slur based upon nationalist bigotry?
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Post by Rum » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:41 pm

Nah. My dad was called Taffy for most of his working life cos he is Welsh and has a bit of an accent. Same thing.

It's an affectionate term of endearment.

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Post by charlou » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:46 pm

I guess mod retirement would allow one more time to indulge in affectionate terms of endearment. :)
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Post by Red Celt » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:58 pm

Somebody's pants appear to be on fire.

Here ya go...

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Post by Rum » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:32 pm

RiverF wrote:I guess mod retirement would allow one more time to indulge in affectionate terms of endearment. :)
Quite so, and one of the main reasons I quit. The world is full of love if one looks for it, don't you think?

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Post by mistermack » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:34 pm

Red Celt wrote:
ronmcd wrote:
Red Celt wrote: Ronmcd, do you ever get the feeling that no matter how many times you say something, some brains just aren't capable of absorbing your words?
I suspect I was seen to sigh and slump ever so slightly at my desk as I read this thread today ...
Perhaps it will work better in bigger print? A bit like a children's book... let's try.

It isn't about nationalism. It is about self-determination.

I'm not too optimistic.
Is that what the SCOTTISH SELF DETERMINATION PARTY is all about then?
I was nicknamed paddy for years by the way, not because I'm Irish, or even have an Irish accent, but just because I can DO an Irish accent, and my parents were Irish.
I don't give a fuck. I've never met anyone who objected to the term Jock or Paddy.
Maybe Ian Paisley might not like being called Paddy I suppose. All the more reason to use it though.

Paddy Paisley. I like it. It does have a sort of ring to it.
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