The American Electoral College System - Changes/Abolition

[Coito ergo sum]

The best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship.

Like a benign tumour.

Things get done.

That;s exactly what we DON'T want from government. Left to their own devices, the vast majority of people govern themselves far better than anyone else ever could. What we need government for is that tiny minority who can't - or won't - govern themselves responsibly, and to provide the infrastructure necessary for a functioning civilisation.
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Indeed...

From a great Brit -- “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” ― Thomas Paine

And, as aptly stated by P.J. O'Rourke --"Giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

[MrJonno]

That;s exactly what we DON'T want from government. Left to their own devices, the vast majority of people govern themselves far better than anyone else ever could. What we need government for is that tiny minority who can't - or won't - govern themselves responsibly, and to provide the infrastructure necessary for a functioning civilisation.

Disagree left to their own devices people form governments, they either want others to run things or they want to be the government themselves but few are neutral

[Mysturji]

The best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship.

Like a benign tumour.

Things get done.

That;s exactly what we DON'T want from government. Left to their own devices, the vast majority of people govern themselves far better than anyone else ever could. What we need government for is that tiny minority who can't - or won't - govern themselves responsibly, and to provide the infrastructure necessary for a functioning civilisation.
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Indeed...

From a great Brit -- “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” ― Thomas Paine

And, as aptly stated by P.J. O'Rourke --"Giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

See? I knew you were a Liberal at heart.

[Mysturji]

That;s exactly what we DON'T want from government. Left to their own devices, the vast majority of people govern themselves far better than anyone else ever could. What we need government for is that tiny minority who can't - or won't - govern themselves responsibly, and to provide the infrastructure necessary for a functioning civilisation.

Disagree left to their own devices people form governments, they either want others to run things or they want to be the government themselves but few are neutral

Disagree. Those that want others to run things govern themselves by submitting to others. If they want to be sheep, that's their choice. By themselves, they're Mostly Harmless.
It's the minority who want to be in charge (of others) you need to watch out for.

[Coito ergo sum]

The best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship.

Like a benign tumour.

Things get done.

That;s exactly what we DON'T want from government. Left to their own devices, the vast majority of people govern themselves far better than anyone else ever could. What we need government for is that tiny minority who can't - or won't - govern themselves responsibly, and to provide the infrastructure necessary for a functioning civilisation.
.

Indeed...

From a great Brit -- “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” ― Thomas Paine

And, as aptly stated by P.J. O'Rourke --"Giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

See? I knew you were a Liberal at heart.

Always have been -- it's just that today's Liberals aren't very liberal.

[MrJonno]

Disagree. Those that want others to run things govern themselves by submitting to others. If they want to be sheep, that's their choice. By themselves, they're Mostly Harmless.
It's the minority who want to be in charge (of others) you need to watch out for.

You have a minority in charge who are choosen by the majority

I think the country needs running but I don't want to do it, I have other interests. I'm not a sheep because I don't do my own electrical wiring or because I go to the doctor I just prefer to leave those things to the experts who want to specialise in those areas. I strong disagree with the concept of referendums which is why I elect people to make decisions for the good of the country and hopefully me. If I don't like those decisions I along with everyone else sacks them

[Ian]

Here's an illustration of where political ads were spent on the national election this year:

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Obviously this looks nothing like a population map of the US. And a population map of the US is distorted enough by the Electoral College as it is: one person voting in one of the smallest states is three times more likely to influence his state's electors than one person voting in a big state. There are roughly 600,000 people per elector in California, but only 200,000 people per elector in Wyoming.

Instead of outright abolishing the Electoral College (though I'd be happy with that), a Congressman recently floated a hybrid solution: allow the states to keep their electors, but create 29 "at large" electoral votes to be awarded to whichever candidate won the national popular vote. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... oral-votes
29 may be an arbitrary number, but a bloc that big would mean that campaigning would expand from a dozen battleground states to the whole country. Candidates would actually look at issues in California and Texas almost as much as local problems in Ohio and Florida. People living in deep red or deep blue states would increasingly get involved in campaigning instead of writing off their states as a sure win or loss. Conversations about politics that might not otherwise exist would be had between friends even if the state they reside in is guaranteed to go blue or red. Voter turnout would increase dramatically. Democracy would win.

[Tyrannical]

An Electoral College limits voter fraud.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/as-per ... rti,30294/

[Mysturji]

The best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship.

Like a benign tumour.

Things get done.

That;s exactly what we DON'T want from government. Left to their own devices, the vast majority of people govern themselves far better than anyone else ever could. What we need government for is that tiny minority who can't - or won't - govern themselves responsibly, and to provide the infrastructure necessary for a functioning civilisation.
.

Indeed...

From a great Brit -- “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” ― Thomas Paine

And, as aptly stated by P.J. O'Rourke --"Giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

See? I knew you were a Liberal at heart.

Always have been -- it's just that today's Liberals aren't very liberal.

I think you're in the wrong sock. CES is supposed to be the diehard Republican
I do that too, sometimes, and think I'm Jesus Christ.