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I wondered why the days have been getting shorter.amused wrote:I have balls the size of Minnesota, so I've been told.rasetsu wrote:Mods! Mods!amused wrote:I consider myself a decent netizen. I've made mistakes in the past but learned to see the person on the other side.
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Great post. I agree with much here. In my case, I am much more abusive and confrontational online than I am in "real" life. There's a number of reasons for this and they mostly stem from one thing - that being a kind of dissociative effect that comes over me when I debate on the internet (or by any form of writing). The other factor that leads to my different personas in the "real" world vs the online world is that I am generally a shy person who is uncomfortable with confrontation face to face. Not in the sense that you post it above, but really quite possibly abnormally uncomfortable with confrontation. So in that sense, it is something that I view as a negative of my "real" life interactions, so the online world gives me the ability to more comfortably push the boundaries of my discomfort. The only problem is, that due to the dissociative effect I mentioned, I can tend to push the boundary so far as to be bullying and abusive. Regarding your point about the ethics of how people treat each other, I share a similar view, and as such I feel that I only really go nuclear against someone else I perceive as a bully. So in that sense, it sits more comfortably with me.Red Celt wrote:I have long held an interest in the apparent disparity between how people behave online and how they behave offline. For many, those two different states produce two different behaviours. From a philosophical point of view, this interests me. Why? Because a key mechanism of morality is missing in the online world and the resulting behaviours enforce my own views as to how morality evolved for humanity.
Actions cause results. A simple truism, but it is an important one when it comes to ethics. If you were to slap someone in the face, you know that something will happen afterwards. If they’re physically-confident, you’ll get slapped back. This is a good de-motivator for slapping people. If they’re not physically-confident, they’re going to be upset with you. Their pain (whether physical or mental) can be seen by you, by looking at their face. If you hold the (prominent) ability of empathy, you will feel bad about causing them pain. Again, this is a good de-motivator for how you treat people.
Online, the feedback mechanism is removed. When a reality-system is composed simply of words, it is easy to forget that there is another moral agent behind those words. You can find it more difficult to empathise with someone if you can’t see their face. Importantly, you are also safe from retribution.
Within this disparity of online/offline behaviour, a lack of empathy is much more likely… as is an unwarranted feeling of bravery, when cowardice is so easy.
When I first started using online forums, I quickly recognised all of the above and became determined to do one simple thing: treat others online the same way as you would offline. Rather than just avoiding online cowardice, it importantly removes the juxtaposition of how you would treat a person if they were standing in front of you. Consistency is an important thing; otherwise, you would be prone to hypocrisy.
On a similar ethical note, I treat people how they treat me. I have my reasons for this which are too extensive to detail here… but, summarised, it is an issue of corporeal karma. It is an issue of justice. People who behave badly deserve to be treated badly. In this way (if in no other way) they experience the cause-and-effect that I’d previously mentioned. It is a motivator for good behaviour and a de-motivator for bad behaviour. Essentially, I hold up a metaphorical mirror. If you don’t like how I’m treating you, it is an indicator that you should perhaps stop being a dick. If you don’t like how I’m treating a friend of yours, it is an indicator that you should perhaps improve your choice of friends.
Consideration is a good thing… but it must be given if you expect it to be returned.
And don’t treat people online any differently than you would if they were standing in front of you.
It isn’t a case of “well, it’s the internet – not the real world, so anything goes”… it is an extension of the real world. Much as a telephone conversation shouldn’t be treated as a means of revoking your empathy or consideration, that is just as true when the medium of communication involves the written word.
The other main contributing factor to my aggressive online persona is what's known in sport as "white-line fever". That is, when you enter the sports field you turn from a mild mannered nice guy into a raging competitive monster. This is of course amplified by my dissociative tendencies. And the simple fact is that I tend to treat most debate I do online as a competition of ideas.
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I agree with this too, but the only problem in all this and our other shared feelings is that no one is capable of being bias-free. So we all tend to think in a heated debate/fight that someone else is being worse than they probably are, and that we are being better than we probably are. In those situations a lot of rationality goes out the window and emotion holds sway.Red Celt wrote:All of the above is a general observation/viewpoint. More specifically, taken from some events today...
If you're going to throw insults around... and (justly) have insults returned to you... don't click the Report button, as if you are guilt-free and the other person is guilty. If you can't handle the results of your actions, pack up your computer and send it back to the retailer you bought it from.
Include a note that says "too fucking stupid to be allowed on the internet".
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"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
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These are good points too.Santa_Claus wrote:I disagree.
Being at arms length means that people can exchange ideas and argue without fear of physical violence from those who disagree - and IMO that is a good thing - the price of that is not always as polite as in real life...........and for some people that is a real problem (in real life folks tend to congretate in groups with similar ideas - and many seem to be genuinely surprised that not everyone shares their bubble)...............Suck it up or switch off.
In real life I do not of course go up to real strangers and call them CUNTS (unless I have been drinking - obviously). But the flipside is that online I have never had to think about whether it makes sense to kill someone in case they one day think about doing same to me / mine. Overall I would call that a score draw.
I meant to comment on the "real" life thing. I don't consider online communication/socialisation as "unreal" or abnormal now. This is the future of communication, and of course it has some downsides, but I think the upsides are going to greatly outweigh them.
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"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
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"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
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You betcha!Bella Fortuna wrote:Do they have the same accent?amused wrote:I have balls the size of Minnesota, so I've been told.rasetsu wrote:Mods! Mods!amused wrote:I consider myself a decent netizen. I've made mistakes in the past but learned to see the person on the other side.
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