An independent Scotland?

[Red Celt]

Red, I think you're overreacting. The Mod response to the personal attacks and the pic you posted was perfectly reasonably and normal.

This isn't the first time I've been bitten by this shit. If you think that the above was reasonable and normal, I'll disagree. And in that disagreement I'll offer a suggestion...

When someone hits the report button on a post, don't judge that post alone. Read a few posts back and take a look to see why there is animosity there in the first place and, if it is deserved, give the relevant people a slap on the balls and not just the one person whose post got reported.

It's like there's a fight taking place between two people. At some point, as they're fighting, the guy who is losing reaches for the whistle to summon some officials. When they arrive they tell one of the two people to pack it in... and not necessarily the person who threw the first punch.

Justice is more important than a fucking clique.

[Rum]

Red, I think you're overreacting. The Mod response to the personal attacks and the pic you posted was perfectly reasonably and normal.

This isn't the first time I've been bitten by this shit. If you think that the above was reasonable and normal, I'll disagree. And in that disagreement I'll offer a suggestion...

When someone hits the report button on a post, don't judge that post alone. Read a few posts back and take a look to see why there is animosity there in the first place and, if it is deserved, give the relevant people a slap on the balls and not just the one person whose post got reported.

It's like there's a fight taking place between two people. At some point, as they're fighting, the guy who is losing reaches for the whistle to summon some officials. When they arrive they tell one of the two people to pack it in... and not necessarily the person who threw the first punch.

Justice is more important than a fucking clique.

The personal attack rules are quite specific. You can say what you want, even if you are feeling strongly about the issue, without breaking them. There was consensus amongst the mods at the time that you did break them. As Pappa said earlier, it really isn't personal. Personally I don't give a fuck and I am a mod only because I offer a lets not have rules perspective believe it or not.

[mistermack]

Remind me again who won the Nobel Peace prize recently?

Me. And I want my share.
I'm still waiting.

[ronmcd]

I don't think Scotland has ever been shat on by London though. And certainly not in the recent past, or present. Historically, the rich have shat on the poor. English, Scottish and Welsh. But that's all.
Scotland always got more than fair treatement, from the Union.

Forget about Scotland being somehow shat on, or not having had fair treatment. That's not really the point. Scotland has been treated no worse than other regions of UK. But here is the difference ... Scotland HAS decided to have more local control, at Holyrood. And now Scots want more control.

It really isnt about what YOU think, as an individual, or what i think. But Scots voted for a Parliament, and appear to now want more powers and decisions devolved to Scotland. Whether you think it's the best system or not, a majority seem to think devolution is good and should continue. That's democracy.

No, democracy would mean that I get a vote on whether Cornwall, or Wales, or Scotland get special conditions.
Otherwise, you end up with Mercia, and Wessex, and Queen Boudica all over again.

You keep on with this "that's democracy" crap, so long as it suits what YOU want.
If the Forest of Dean voted for it's own parliament, it wouldn't make sense to create one.
Even though it was democratically voted for.

These historical kingdoms are nothing more than historic mafioso territories.
Nothing democratic about the Scottish border. Just, a bit of stone, divided up by mobsters.

If the Forest of Dean voted for it's own parliament, I don't see why it wouldn't make sense to create one. If thats what people want. But that's a completely different issue from Scotland. Scotland is a country which is currently - legally and voluntarily - in a union with England, forming GB. If a majority of people in Scotland vote to dissolve that union, Scotland will be independent : FACT.

The Forest of Dean does not have the legal status that would allow it to become independent, it would require a political movement, a buildup of support over time, a decision by the UK to allow it, and finally a way to measure that support.

The comparison is nonsense.

[Red Celt]

The personal attack rules are quite specific. You can say what you want, even if you are feeling strongly about the issue, without breaking them. There was consensus amongst the mods at the time that you did break them. As Pappa said earlier, it really isn't personal. Personally I don't give a fuck and I am a mod only because I offer a lets not have rules perspective believe it or not.

There was some seriously shitty mod decision-making today... when "doctoring" got a new definition (out of the textbook of irrationality) and your bigoted hill-walking buddy got off (oh the irony) Scot free.

So, golf-clap for that.

Today's moderation ranking: A+

[Rum]

The personal attack rules are quite specific. You can say what you want, even if you are feeling strongly about the issue, without breaking them. There was consensus amongst the mods at the time that you did break them. As Pappa said earlier, it really isn't personal. Personally I don't give a fuck and I am a mod only because I offer a lets not have rules perspective believe it or not.

There was some seriously shitty mod decision-making today... when "doctoring" got a new definition (out of the textbook of irrationality) and your bigoted hill-walking buddy got off (oh the irony) Scot free.

So, golf-clap for that.

Today's moderation ranking: A+

Nasty.

[Jason]

Red Celt.. Art thou trolling?

[Svartalf]

Red Celt.. Art thou trolling?

At this point, I think the term is 'flame baiting'

[Red Celt]

I'm fucked off (in case you hadn't guessed) and the term is "truth".

[Rum]

A Scotch person adhering to the stereotype perhaps, for effect?

Disengaging from this for now..

[mistermack]

If the Forest of Dean voted for it's own parliament, I don't see why it wouldn't make sense to create one. If thats what people want. But that's a completely different issue from Scotland. Scotland is a country which is currently - legally and voluntarily - in a union with England, forming GB. If a majority of people in Scotland vote to dissolve that union, Scotland will be independent : FACT.

The Forest of Dean does not have the legal status that would allow it to become independent, it would require a political movement, a buildup of support over time, a decision by the UK to allow it, and finally a way to measure that support.

The comparison is nonsense.

I'll tell you what's nonsense.
The bit in red. It's the most pathetic of human beliefs. That people are somehow different to people just a mile across a border. Just because some ancient gangsters drew a line.

That's what I really don't like about nationalism. And it is the most utter shite.
Ok, so you want a game of football? Fair enough. Divide yourselves up into groups.

But going any further is moronic.
I'm with Rum all the way. We should be removing these artificial lines in the sand.
Not worshipping them, or losing our rag over them, or getting all sentimental.

My surname is the same as the first king of Scotland, by the way.
Maybe I have some of his genes. I really don't give a shit.
It's ancient history, it's not relevant.

[Audley Strange]

I never took you for a Globalist MM.

[Svartalf]

If the Forest of Dean voted for it's own parliament, I don't see why it wouldn't make sense to create one. If thats what people want. But that's a completely different issue from Scotland. Scotland is a country which is currently - legally and voluntarily - in a union with England, forming GB. If a majority of people in Scotland vote to dissolve that union, Scotland will be independent : FACT.

The Forest of Dean does not have the legal status that would allow it to become independent, it would require a political movement, a buildup of support over time, a decision by the UK to allow it, and finally a way to measure that support.

The comparison is nonsense.

I'll tell you what's nonsense.
The bit in red. It's the most pathetic of human beliefs. That people are somehow different to people just a mile across a border. Just because some ancient gangsters drew a line.

That's what I really don't like about nationalism. And it is the most utter shite.
Ok, so you want a game of football? Fair enough. Divide yourselves up into groups.

But going any further is moronic.
I'm with Rum all the way. We should be removing these artificial lines in the sand.
Not worshipping them, or losing our rag over them, or getting all sentimental.

My surname is the same as the first king of Scotland, by the way.
Maybe I have some of his genes. I really don't give a shit.
It's ancient history, it's not relevant.

Actually, nation states arose from actual and real cultural differences between populations, allowing to draw effective us vs them lines.
That's why the 1800s revolutions completely redrew the ancient bandits' lines.

[mistermack]

I never took you for a Globalist MM.

I'm a Galaxist.
Come on you Milkies !!!!

[ronmcd]

If the Forest of Dean voted for it's own parliament, I don't see why it wouldn't make sense to create one. If thats what people want. But that's a completely different issue from Scotland. Scotland is a country which is currently - legally and voluntarily - in a union with England, forming GB. If a majority of people in Scotland vote to dissolve that union, Scotland will be independent : FACT.

The Forest of Dean does not have the legal status that would allow it to become independent, it would require a political movement, a buildup of support over time, a decision by the UK to allow it, and finally a way to measure that support.

The comparison is nonsense.

I'll tell you what's nonsense.
The bit in red. It's the most pathetic of human beliefs. That people are somehow different to people just a mile across a border. Just because some ancient gangsters drew a line.

That's what I really don't like about nationalism. And it is the most utter shite.
Ok, so you want a game of football? Fair enough. Divide yourselves up into groups.

But going any further is moronic.
I'm with Rum all the way. We should be removing these artificial lines in the sand.
Not worshipping them, or losing our rag over them, or getting all sentimental.

My surname is the same as the first king of Scotland, by the way.
Maybe I have some of his genes. I really don't give a shit.
It's ancient history, it's not relevant.

Your opinion of Scotland, and the irrelevance of countries generally, is noted. Irrelevant, but noted.

It is however relevant to many people who live in Scotland. Similarly, being "British" is relevant to people who don't want their laws and local decisions made by, I don't know, Belgium? Do you see the connection?