An independent Scotland?

[Svartalf]

Maybe CH should have gotten more than a general reminder to play nice. I could see an argument for that.

Did I miss that? Don't recall it.
It would take a saint to still play nice anyway, when RC got so personal.

Heck, there was a degree of acrimony I don't think I've ever had while trading insults with him.

[mistermack]

Heck, there was a degree of acrimony I don't think I've ever had while trading insults with him.

The accusation of anti scottishness is amazing, anyway, considering that it's aimed at people who want to remain politically joined to Scotland. If I was anti Scottish, I'd be more than happy to see Scotland seperate from the rest of the UK.

I've always been anti-devolution generally. It's a total fallacy that it's better for everybody. It's only good for local politicians, not local conditions. More chance for bribes and fiddles.

If central government gets too remote, then THAT'S what wants fixing. But I don't think it has.
Certainly not in the case of Scotland, with the number of Scottish MPs. And Scottish prime ministers. And Scottish chancellors. And Scottish ministers.
Where did Cameron get his surname, anyway? Not from some Ancestral Scottish slave-owners, like all the Afro-Caribbeans with Scottish names.

Scots have never been down-trodden because of the union. They've been shat on from above, but that's just like the English and Welsh. But they've generally been shat on by fellow Scots.

All the shitting on was a class thing, not a national thing.

[Jesus_of_Nazareth]

Heck, there was a degree of acrimony I don't think I've ever had while trading insults with him.

The accusation of anti scottishness is amazing, anyway, considering that it's aimed at people who want to remain politically joined to Scotland. If I was anti Scottish, I'd be more than happy to see Scotland seperate from the rest of the UK.

I've always been anti-devolution generally. It's a total fallacy that it's better for everybody. It's only good for local politicians, not local conditions. More chance for bribes and fiddles.

If central government gets too remote, then THAT'S what wants fixing. But I don't think it has.
Certainly not in the case of Scotland, with the number of Scottish MPs. And Scottish prime ministers. And Scottish chancellors. And Scottish ministers.
Where did Cameron get his surname, anyway? Not from some Ancestral Scottish slave-owners, like all the Afro-Caribbeans with Scottish names.

Scots have never been down-trodden because of the union. They've been shat on from above, but that's just like the English and Welsh. But they've generally been shat on by fellow Scots.

All the shitting on was a class thing, not a national thing.

Hard to disagree with someone who uses shitting as part of their analysis .

But I will


You are of course right that the Scots people have largely been shat on by their own people - the English MO was always to outsource the hands on shitting to the natives.........but IMO that doesn't mean that the status quo (of being shat on by London) has to continue. It may well continue after independence (by own people) - but it doesn't have to. and far more chance of it not if the Scots have control over own destiny.

Bribes and fiddles? I don't think anything will stop that. ever .

[Red Celt]

The accusation of anti scottishness is amazing, anyway, considering that it's aimed at people who want to remain politically joined to Scotland. If I was anti Scottish, I'd be more than happy to see Scotland seperate from the rest of the UK.

Don't ever apply for a job at a woman's shelter.

"Oh, but deary, your husband must love you very much if he wants to keep you at home... beating you up."

It's time for a divorce. An abusive husband's unwillingness for separation is not "amazing", in any way shape or form.

[mistermack]

You are of course right that the Scots people have largely been shat on by their own people - the English MO was always to outsource the hands on shitting to the natives.........but IMO that doesn't mean that the status quo (of being shat on by London) has to continue. It may well continue after independence (by own people) - but it doesn't have to. and far more chance of it not if the Scots have control over own destiny.

Bribes and fiddles? I don't think anything will stop that. ever .

I don't think Scotland has ever been shat on by London though. And certainly not in the recent past, or present. Historically, the rich have shat on the poor. English, Scottish and Welsh. But that's all.
Scotland always got more than fair treatement, from the Union.

[mistermack]

Don't ever apply for a job at a woman's shelter.

"Oh, but deary, your husband must love you very much if he wants to keep you at home... beating you up."

It's time for a divorce. An abusive husband's unwillingness for separation is not "amazing", in any way shape or form.

Even Alex doesn't claim abuse.
He just claims that he knows better. Like most wives, before they go it alone.

But nobody else is going to marry Alex. He's too fucking ugly.

[Pappa]

And he actually deleted it. Jesus fuck, Rum... if you look at the AtheismPlus forum and wonder what happened to Mai, you really should take a look in the fucking mirror.

Delete delete delete...

Rationalia: where bigots are welcomed and those who call them bigots receive warnings for abuse, even though the bigot was also being abusive. But hey, fuck any idea of even-handedness. At Rationalia, what matters is whether or not you've met up with people for a walk through the hills... or (obviously) how many posts they've made. Must protect the old-timers against the newcomers, mustn't we.

Red, I think you're overreacting. The Mod response to the personal attacks and the pic you posted was perfectly reasonably and normal.

[ronmcd]

I don't think Scotland has ever been shat on by London though. And certainly not in the recent past, or present. Historically, the rich have shat on the poor. English, Scottish and Welsh. But that's all.
Scotland always got more than fair treatement, from the Union.

Forget about Scotland being somehow shat on, or not having had fair treatment. That's not really the point. Scotland has been treated no worse than other regions of UK. But here is the difference ... Scotland HAS decided to have more local control, at Holyrood. And now Scots want more control.

It really isnt about what YOU think, as an individual, or what i think. But Scots voted for a Parliament, and appear to now want more powers and decisions devolved to Scotland. Whether you think it's the best system or not, a majority seem to think devolution is good and should continue. That's democracy.

[mistermack]

I don't think Scotland has ever been shat on by London though. And certainly not in the recent past, or present. Historically, the rich have shat on the poor. English, Scottish and Welsh. But that's all.
Scotland always got more than fair treatement, from the Union.

Forget about Scotland being somehow shat on, or not having had fair treatment. That's not really the point. Scotland has been treated no worse than other regions of UK. But here is the difference ... Scotland HAS decided to have more local control, at Holyrood. And now Scots want more control.

It really isnt about what YOU think, as an individual, or what i think. But Scots voted for a Parliament, and appear to now want more powers and decisions devolved to Scotland. Whether you think it's the best system or not, a majority seem to think devolution is good and should continue. That's democracy.

No, democracy would mean that I get a vote on whether Cornwall, or Wales, or Scotland get special conditions.
Otherwise, you end up with Mercia, and Wessex, and Queen Boudica all over again.

You keep on with this "that's democracy" crap, so long as it suits what YOU want.
If the Forest of Dean voted for it's own parliament, it wouldn't make sense to create one.
Even though it was democratically voted for.

These historical kingdoms are nothing more than historic mafioso territories.
Nothing democratic about the Scottish border. Just, a bit of stone, divided up by mobsters.

[Rum]

My personal take is that we should be destroying national boundaries, not creating more.

[Svartalf]

My personal take is that we should be destroying national boundaries, not creating more.

Human nature still runs to balkanization.

[Rum]

My personal take is that we should be destroying national boundaries, not creating more.

Human nature still runs to balkanization.

..and tribalism, xenophobia, paranoia, suspicion and fear. All negative human attributes we should surely be trying to combat and overcome.

[klr]

Remind me again who won the Nobel Peace prize recently?

[Svartalf]

B Hussein O? or somebody even less deserving?

[klr]

B Hussein O? or somebody even less deserving?

Are you serious?