Coito ergo sum wrote:Just read the quote again. It's all one quote -- all part of the answer as to how his religious faith informs his public life.
Did you even watch the debate? Were you even paying attention? The stuff Biden said about contraception coverage was in direct response to what Ryan stated:
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What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they're doing through "Obamacare" with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals. Our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious — religious liberties."
If you're going to talk about the debate, you should have at least watched it. You're just embarrassing yourself here.
It doesn't just say "have to pay" -- they don't even have to make them available, he says.
Shit dude, pay attention. Biden:
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No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic Social Services, Georgetown Hospital, Mercy — any hospital — none has to either refer contraception. None has to pay for contraception. None has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact."
And that's all true, and to the original point, nowhere did Biden say any of that was a direct result of his Catholic faith. He was simply correcting yet another distortion by Lyin' Ryan.
No, stupid, and that isn't what I said.
Now you're just lying. You stated, "
He damn fucking well does NOT stand for legal abortions at any time for any reason from 0 to 40 weeks." Now last I checked, 2 weeks falls between 0 and 40 weeks. Unless you're using some of that Romney "magic math".
The shit he spouted on abortion was pandering bullshit, and did not accurately reflect his viewpoint, Obama's viewpoint or the Democratic Party's viewpoint.
If you truly think Obama and Biden are against legal abortions for any reason at any time, then there's something fundamentally wrong with you.
I'm saying Biden SAID he could separate abortion from his religious views, but he did not say that the separates all his views from his religion - he said exactly the fucking opposite if you would actually read what he said, rather than change it to fit what you WANT him to say. Give him the fucking credit for saying what he fucking means.
You're not making any sense at all. But I guess that's what happens when you're trying to defend your candidate's and your party's imposing their religious views on the country, in an atheist forum.
"Fine with it?" I accept it as a reality.
A distinction without an effective difference. You're on the side of the religious culture warrior, and you know it.
I don't want them, if I have my 'druthers, to base their decisions on Christianity, and I don't like that about Ryan
And not only do they do exactly that, they do so in spades. Their conservative brand of Christianity is a distinct and inseparable part of who they are as a party. It is a defining characteristic of today's GOP. And you're right there with them.
but I have to support Romney over Obama for many other reasons which take precedence. Unlike you, I'm not a one-issue voter.
LOL! Nice try, but a swing and a miss.
And, just because candidates "say" one thing doesn't mean their actions follow it.
Ok, let's look at that. Who's been doing more to impose their religious beliefs on the country? Democrats or Republicans? Who's been actively trying to implement the Christian culture war agenda, Biden or Ryan?
The GOP criticizes Obama for being the "most pro-abortion President in history" and the "most pro-gay" President in history. Paul Ryan?
http://prospect.org/article/paul-ryan-culture-warrior
Look at Obama -- he is your supposed secular wonder-boy, but he EXPANDED on Bush's "faith based initiative" programs. He doubled down on government support for churches
And put specific restrictions on them, i.e. they cannot have any sort of overlap between their attempts to convert and their charity work, and if a person seeking those services is wary of the church, the church has to provide information on alternative non-religious providers. Why do you think the Christian conservatives were all up in arms about that?
I swear it's like you haven't been paying attention. Of course, if you mostly watch Fox News, your misinformation is to be expected.
The religious right has too much influence, and I am fighting against that in the way I can.
How?
Romney is NOT ON THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT -- he is pro evolution, and he will, most likely, not do a damn thing relative to abortion.
I guess on the latter, it depends on which Mitt Romney you listen to. Is he the candidate without an anti-abortion agenda, or the one who will close down Planned Parenthood?
As for civil rights for gays, until 4 months ago, the parties' platforms were basically the same, and President Wonderboy was against gay marriage, so get off your high horse.
Again, stop insulting everyone here by trying to actually pretend that there's no difference between the DNC and the GOP when it comes to gay rights. If you're seriously trying to argue that point, then you're further up the GOP's ass than I though possible.
