Catholic Church silence dissent within the ranks.

[Animavore]

The stupidy of these guys knows no bounds. The Catholic Church is falling massively out of favour with the Irish people and Western Europe. They need priests like Father Flannery. Instead of trying to silence him they should be listening to him. His ideas on change might actually save the Catholic Church in the West and salvage something out of the wreck.
Enjoy your Third World, dumbasses.

A HIGH-PROFILE priest is coming under increasing scrutiny from the Vatican's theological watchdog for expressing liberal views.

Silenced Redemptorist and Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) founder Fr Tony Flannery has been contacted by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), the Irish Independent can reveal.

It emerged earlier this year that Fr Flannery was silenced by the Vatican and put under investigation for his "liberal" views on women's ordination.

This came to light only weeks after the report of the Apostolic Visitation from Rome which noted that Ireland had widespread dissent among priests, religious and lay people from the church's teaching.

Several other clerics were either silenced or received warnings from the Vatican, including Fr Brian D'Arcy.

Now Fr Flannery has received further correspondence and documents to sign from the CDF under its new head, German Bishop Gerhard Muller, who has a reputation for taking on what the Vatican see as Catholic 'dissidents'.

Insensitive

Fr Flannery is having difficulty signing up to some of the demands in the latest documents seeking his retraction on certain liberal views.

Some of these views include campaigning for women's ordination and married priests; a complete re-think on contraception; and a change in what is seen as harsh and insensitive language in the church's teaching on homosexuality.

Sources said the language of the letters contains the terminology of Vatican I, held in the late-1860s. One cleric said: "The church says it has good news for the 21st Century but is proceeding to operate a 16th Century mindset."

It is widely speculated in church circles that Fr Flannery has been singled out for his public support of Taoiseach Enda Kenny's post-Cloyne Report speech in which he castigated the Vatican for its "elitism, dysfunction, disconnection and narcissism".

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 55598.html

[JimC]

Let there be schism!

[Xamonas Chegwé]

And you were expecting rational behaviour from a religious institution because...?

[Animavore]

A schism wouldn't surprise me at this stage. It must be frustrating for priests like Father Flannery watch The Church destroy itself because they refuse to get with the times. It makes you wonder why he stays with them at all. Going rogue might be his best option.

[Animavore]

And you were expecting rational behaviour from a religious institution because...?

As far as religion goes Catholicism is generally one of the most rational. It's not like they haven't had reformation in the past either. Despite what some of them say their doctrine can, and has, been changed.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

And you were expecting rational behaviour from a religious institution because...?

As far as religion goes Catholicism is generally one of the most rational.

ORLY?

No matter how atheist an Irishman gets, catholicism is still the best religion!

Let me spell it out. no religion is rational AT ALL!!1!!

Clear?

[Animavore]

And you were expecting rational behaviour from a religious institution because...?

As far as religion goes Catholicism is generally one of the most rational.

ORLY?

No matter how atheist an Irishman gets, catholicism is still the best religion!

Let me spell it out. no religion is rational AT ALL!!1!!

Clear?

I never said it was the best religion. Clearly Raelianism is (sex party anyone?). To say Catholicism is rational, to some extent, is to say it doesn't jar too badly against reality. The Church of England also. That's why priests like Georges Lemaître and lay Catholics like Ken Miller can exist without making much waves with minimal cognitive dissonance. Try that if you're a Fundamentalist.
Adapting and changing is something these organisations have always done. We won't get rid of them so it's the most we could hope for.

[devogue]

And you were expecting rational behaviour from a religious institution because...?

As far as religion goes Catholicism is generally one of the most rational. It's not like they haven't had reformation in the past either. Despite what some of them say their doctrine can, and has, been changed.

I agree.

Further, the church has had centuries of practice dealing with radicals - they pop up regularly with the answer for everything. But an uncompromising dogma is far more attractive in terms of recruiting bods - for every "silenced" Father Flannery (fuck off and be the "protestant" you are!), there is an ecstatic Anne Widdecombe or Tony Blair accepted in to the faith.

Change is something to be handled very slowly - the trauma of Vatican 2 still resonates after fifty years (this week in fact). Something like that won't happen again for a very long time.

When Dawkins trashed the study of theology as worthless I agreed wholeheartedly, but I think I was wrong - there is much wisdom (positive and most definitely negative) wrapped up in the dogma and canon law of the Catholic church in particular, so much insight in to the human condition. I'm going to do a postgraduate course in sales and marketing in the next few years, and I swear I will study the methods of the Roman Catholic church if given a chance.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Oh look - another Irishman agreeing that catlick bollocks is teh bestest bollocks!

Bullshit. Just wolves that wear their sheep clothing a little better than the others! In the end, they are peddling the same wishful-thinking as the YECs and the muslims. It doesn't matter the details of their doctrine - they are just one more bunch of lying cunts selling unredeemable live-after-you-die vouchers to the gullible!

If anything, the ones that try and dress themselves up as reasonable are MORE dangerous - because they appeal to those that AREN'T impressionable idiots looking for a messiah to kill or die for, just the ignorant masses that would rather not die.

Tough shit. You will. We all will and there will be nothing afterwards - so why waste a second of the fleeting time you do have on wankers in frocks telling you that you are a sinner while you struggle hard not to be! Fuck it! Go sin! Sin often! Sin daily! Wank yourself stupid (if you are not stupid already) and pass out in a bathtub of gin every night!

[devogue]

Oh look - another Irishman agreeing that catlick bollocks is teh bestest bollocks!

Bullshit. Just wolves that wear their sheep clothing a little better than the others! In the end, they are peddling the same wishful-thinking as the YECs and the muslims. It doesn't matter the details of their doctrine - they are just one more bunch of lying cunts selling unredeemable live-after-you-die vouchers to the gullible!

If anything, the ones that try and dress themselves up as reasonable are MORE dangerous - because they appeal to those that AREN'T impressionable idiots looking for a messiah to kill or die for, just the ignorant masses that would rather not die.

Tough shit. You will. We all will and there will be nothing afterwards - so why waste a second of the fleeting time you do have on wankers in frocks telling you that you are a sinner while you struggle hard not to be! Fuck it! Go sin! Sin often! Sin daily! Wank yourself stupid (if you are not stupid already) and pass out in a bathtub of gin every night!

Oh please switch off your impression of January 2008 RDF and read what I wrote again.

There is no agreeing with anything, and no need to call me on bullshit.

I detest Catholicism, but I admire their business plan. Now calm down dear!!

[Animavore]

Did you just find out you have cancer, XC?

[devogue]

Did you just find out you have cancer, XC?

( in case he has )

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There are two kinds of men in the Vatican hierarchy. Those who have molested kids and those who have helped cover it up. Sometimes they're one and the same, but they're at least one. This is why they fight efforts to clean up the Catlicker Church, there wouldn't be anybody left to run the place.

This is also why I'm highly in favor of doing so.

[klr]

And you were expecting rational behaviour from a religious institution because...?

As far as religion goes Catholicism is generally one of the most rational. It's not like they haven't had reformation in the past either. Despite what some of them say their doctrine can, and has, been changed.

In the past few decades thought, that's usually just to make it more palatable to the punters.

[JimC]

If there was a schism, the real fight would be about the division of properties and money. On the surface it would be all about competing religious philosophy, but underneath, a lust for mammon would rule...