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by odysseus » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:41 pm
Clinton Huxley wrote:Bet he's a whizz at hook-a-duck.
According to this morning's news he's had his hook confiscated and he's now squealing like a bitch because he needs it to 'function to a reasonable standard.'
Shame he never wiped his arse with that hand....

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by HomerJay » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:10 pm
MarkS wrote:America's bitch gives up another of it's citizens. Makes me sick to my stomach.
What - he shouldn't face the very serious charges he's been charged with?
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by Mysturji » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:51 pm
MarkS wrote:America's bitch gives up another of it's citizens. Makes me sick to my stomach.
And before you ask I despise the fucker.
He is not, never has been and never will be a citizen of the United Kingdom.
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by odysseus » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:55 pm
Born in Egypt, acquired British citizenship through marriage. Personally I'm glad to see the back of the fucker. The taxes wasted on keeping that twat in relative luxury in prison can be better spent. And yes, British justice being what it is you can bet your ass he would have been accorded a whole bunch of special privileges in prison through some hare-brained thinking by the senile old duffers who decide these things. Mind you, it's not just us who suffer this blight, I understand Anders Breivik has been granted the use of his own office in a Swedish prison. Fuck me.... I was lost for words when I read
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by Mysturji » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:09 pm
odysseus wrote:Born in Egypt, acquired British citizenship through marriage.
I understood that he arrived in the UK as an "asylum seeker".
Considering that UK law only recognises one marriage per person/couple at a time, and he has several "wives", I must ask you for a link to some evidence to support that statement.
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by odysseus » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:06 pm
Mysturji wrote:odysseus wrote:Born in Egypt, acquired British citizenship through marriage.
I understood that he arrived in the UK as an "asylum seeker".
Considering that UK law only recognises one marriage per person/couple at a time, and he has several "wives", I must ask you for a link to some evidence to support that statement.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/09/justi ... index.html
Born in Egypt in 1958, he traveled to Britain to study before gaining citizenship through marriage in the 1980s.
I'm only passing on what I read. Whether you agree with the definition of marriage in this case is not my concern. It would appear that at the time his position was such that he was granted citizenship. Whether subsequent marriages or discovery of prior marriages to other wives should have resulted in a rescinding of said citizenship is an interesting question though....

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by mistermack » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:02 pm
The extradition arrangements between the UK and the US seem to be hugely biased in favour of the US.
This wouldn't happen in reverse. The US wouldn't send US citizens to stand trial here, in similar circumstances.
Having said that, in this case, the outcome of bad law is ok by me.
They are welcome to these arseholes. We should be offering them hundreds and thousands of similar.
The problem comes when they want someone who ISN'T like these aresholes.
Because nobody will ever get a fair trial in the US for anything feintly related to security, no matter how remote the link is.
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by Mysturji » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:36 pm
odysseus wrote:Mysturji wrote:odysseus wrote:Born in Egypt, acquired British citizenship through marriage.
I understood that he arrived in the UK as an "asylum seeker".
Considering that UK law only recognises one marriage per person/couple at a time, and he has several "wives", I must ask you for a link to some evidence to support that statement.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/09/justi ... index.html
Born in Egypt in 1958, he traveled to Britain to study before gaining citizenship through marriage in the 1980s.
I'm only passing on what I read. Whether you agree with the definition of marriage in this case is not my concern. It would appear that at the time his position was such that he was granted citizenship. Whether subsequent marriages or discovery of prior marriages to other wives should have resulted in a rescinding of said citizenship is an interesting question though....

OK, I stand corrected - but it's still wrong.

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by odysseus » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:39 pm
Mysturji wrote:odysseus wrote:Mysturji wrote:odysseus wrote:Born in Egypt, acquired British citizenship through marriage.
I understood that he arrived in the UK as an "asylum seeker".
Considering that UK law only recognises one marriage per person/couple at a time, and he has several "wives", I must ask you for a link to some evidence to support that statement.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/09/justi ... index.html
Born in Egypt in 1958, he traveled to Britain to study before gaining citizenship through marriage in the 1980s.
I'm only passing on what I read. Whether you agree with the definition of marriage in this case is not my concern. It would appear that at the time his position was such that he was granted citizenship. Whether subsequent marriages or discovery of prior marriages to other wives should have resulted in a rescinding of said citizenship is an interesting question though....

OK, I stand corrected - but it's still wrong.

I know what you mean, mate, but in this case I have to say I'm glad to see the back of the tosser....
mistermack wrote:The extradition arrangements between the UK and the US seem to be hugely biased in favour of the US.
This wouldn't happen in reverse. The US wouldn't send US citizens to stand trial here, in similar circumstances.
Having said that, in this case, the outcome of bad law is ok by me.
They are welcome to these arseholes. We should be offering them hundreds and thousands of similar.
The problem comes when they want someone who ISN'T like these aresholes.
Because nobody will ever get a fair trial in the US for anything feintly related to security, no matter how remote the link is.
There's a lot of truth right there IMO
In other loosely related news, it would appear that Britain has replaced one asshole with another by granting asylum to a Janjaweed militia war criminal. Well bloody done!
http://www.facenfacts.com/NewsDetails/3 ... -in-uk.htm
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by MarkS » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:38 pm
Phew I have to apologise; I really flipped all of a sudden there, blame it on a bad day and a toothache.
But it still gives me a bad feeling. The others Babar Ahmed for instance who appears to have obtained info on the movement of the fifth (US) fleet got 60 grand for injuries when he was arrested and was not charged in this country, the police secretly passed evidence to the US which could have been used to charge him here. Similarly with Syed Talha Ahsan.
This would not happen the other way around. I do not like the feeling that my country is legally but immorally rendering people to a place where they can legally be treated worse than they would be here. It makes me feel my country is being obsequious to a larger and more powerful one. Dammit I generally like Americans! But I don't like this.
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by Mysturji » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:04 pm
odysseus wrote:I know what you mean, mate, but in this case I have to say I'm glad to see the back of the tosser....
Me too! I meant that granting the cunt UK citizenship was wrong. Just so we're clear.

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by HomerJay » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:03 pm
mistermack wrote:The extradition arrangements between the UK and the US seem to be hugely biased in favour of the US.
It's been Judicially reviewed and by parliament, the comeback was meh.
Have you got some special information we should know?
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by mistermack » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:30 pm
HomerJay wrote:mistermack wrote:The extradition arrangements between the UK and the US seem to be hugely biased in favour of the US.
It's been Judicially reviewed and by parliament, the comeback was meh.
Have you got some special information we should know?
I deliberately wrote "seem" as I have not done research into extradition law. It's the impression I get from the discussions I've seen on the box, where all parties were agreeing that the extradition treaties are weighted in favour of the US.
This is from Wikipedia, regarding three Natwest executives who were tried in Texas for dealings with Enron :
Wikipedia wrote:
Extradition inequality argument: It was alleged that the extradition arrangements between the US and the UK were highly unequal. The Act's terms made it easier to extradite British citizens to America than vice versa.[74] There has been much criticism of the fact that the Americans do not have to produce a prima facie case - or even any "reasonable case"[75] to extradite UK citizens, whereas there was no comparable facility to extradite US citizens to the UK. Despite this, the head of Britain's Serious Fraud Office, Robert Wardle, has claimed that there would have been enough evidence to extradite the Three to the US even under the old extradition arrangements. He expressed astonishment that the men had become a "cause celebre", and expressed confidence that the Three would get a fair trial in the US.[31] Supporters of the Three claim that when the extradition law was passed in the wake of 11 September the UK government stated that it was only to be used in the so-called war against terror and if the treaty was ratified by the US.[76] However, neither of these conditions was written into the text of the extradition law, and neither had been fulfilled in the case of the Three at the time of their extradition. (The treaty was subsequently ratified by the US in September 2006.)
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by odysseus » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:04 pm
Mysturji wrote:odysseus wrote:I know what you mean, mate, but in this case I have to say I'm glad to see the back of the tosser....
Me too! I meant that granting the cunt UK citizenship was wrong. Just so we're clear.

I hear that, sir!

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by Woodbutcher » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:13 pm
mistermack wrote:The extradition arrangements between the UK and the US seem to be hugely biased in favour of the US.
This wouldn't happen in reverse. The US wouldn't send US citizens to stand trial here, in similar circumstances.
Having said that, in this case, the outcome of bad law is ok by me.
They are welcome to these arseholes. We should be offering them hundreds and thousands of similar.
The problem comes when they want someone who ISN'T like these aresholes.
Because nobody will ever get a fair trial in the US for anything feintly related to security, no matter how remote the link is.
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