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by sandinista » Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:06 am
great news! Was hoping for this! Great voter turnout as well!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012 ... ction.html
Fireworks exploded in downtown Caracas, and Chavez's supporters celebrated waving flags and jumping for joy outside the presidential palace.
Chavez won more than 7.4 million votes, beating Capriles by more than 1.2 million votes, Lucena said.
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by Cormac » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:34 am
Even if Chavez turns out not to be the egomaniacal totalitarian dictator that I consider him to be, and even if he would have accepted a fair and democratic vote - and stepped down if he lost it, and even if he truly is a champion of the people*, consider this.
If and when he steps down, or dies in office, he will be replaced. Because he has removed safeguards from the constitution designed to prevent the rise of totalitarian dictators, he may be replaced by one easily at any time. He is a danger to his people on this basis alone.
*misguided at how to achieve economic prosperity for all the people.
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by Robert_S » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:00 am
Sandi's back!!!
If any successor of Chavez gets out of line, Evo will go over there, challenge the person to a football match and give him a good swift kick in the bollocks.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by redunderthebed » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:27 am
Wonder when the next US backed coup is going to be.
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by Robert_S » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:31 am
redunderthebed wrote:Wonder when the next US backed coup is going to be.
As soon as we're bored of the Middle East again!
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by Tyrannical » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:43 am
Two things surprise me about Venezuela. It's as bad off as it is even with all that oil income, and the crime/murder rate is incredibly high.
Chavez may love his socialism, but he is just too incompetent to run a country.
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by Rum » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:25 am
Tyrannical wrote:Two things surprise me about Venezuela. It's as bad off as it is even with all that oil income, and the crime/murder rate is incredibly high.
Chavez may love his socialism, but he is just too incompetent to run a country.
They go on here about Brazil and other South American countries becoming huge economic powers. Do a google maps and streetview of bits of Rio only a couple of miles from the city centre and it looks like a dirt poor third world country even now. Not to put it down - but we dismiss our own achievements rather too easily I fancy.
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:41 am
One pleasant surprise today. One ...
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by mistermack » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:01 pm
I'm glad to hear it.
There is so much crap in the media about Chavez and Venezuela, mainly because most of the press is right-wing and rabid.
The people who KNOW, the people living there, obviously know what's really going on, and think he's doing a good job.
It just proves what bollocks the right-wing media try to feed us, and it's amazing that some people on this site just soak it up without bothering to read between the lines, or look at the motivation of the press.
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by Cormac » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:13 pm
I'm not at all convinced.
1. Changing the law to allow him to have multiple terms of office smacks of the good old "President for Life" caper.
2. He confiscated land from farmers and distributed it to people who hadn't the first clue about agriculture.
Regarding the second point - if he is going to steal land and give it to people, he should first require that they attend training and demonstrate competence before being sent off into the country, (usually for the first time in their lives).
Chavez strikes me as a demagogue of little actual competence.
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by Animavore » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:19 pm
Yeah, but, you gotta love him.
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by Cormac » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:22 pm
Animavore wrote:Yeah, but, you gotta love him.
Nah, I think he is a cunt.
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by Animavore » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:27 pm
Cormac wrote:Animavore wrote:Yeah, but, you gotta love him.
Nah, I think he is a cunt.
He's like The Fonz of politics.
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by Cormac » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:41 pm
Animavore wrote:Cormac wrote:Animavore wrote:Yeah, but, you gotta love him.
Nah, I think he is a cunt.
He's like The Fonz of politics.
Except really dangerous.
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by Animavore » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:45 pm
Cormac wrote:Animavore wrote:Cormac wrote:Animavore wrote:Yeah, but, you gotta love him.
Nah, I think he is a cunt.
He's like The Fonz of politics.
Except really dangerous.
(c'mon, I'm clearly taking the piss out of his whole cheesy setup
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