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French magazine publishes Muhammed lulz.

Post by Animavore » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:59 pm

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Herald Sun wrote:Satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo confirmed that its latest edition contains several cartoons featuring Mohammed that the publication's editor said would "shock those who will want to be shocked."

The magazine is due to hit the streets today against a background of protests across the Islamic world over a crude US-made film that mocks Mohammed and portrays Muslims as gratuitously violent.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ ... 6476950221

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail ... id=1971393
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:01 pm

Good for them.

No apologies.

Fuck 'em.

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Post by Rum » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:13 pm

Well they have a right of course but it is provocation by any measure.

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Post by Animavore » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:18 pm

The French foreign ministry announced Wednesday that France will close 20 of its embassies in Muslim countries this Friday following the publication of controversial Prophet Mohammed cartoons by satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. Major protests in the Muslim world generally take place after Friday prayers.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:19 pm

Provocation? Bullshit. It's no more "provocation" than the Broadway play "Book of Mormon" or the publication of a book like The End Of Faith or The God Delusion.

That's like saying that publishing cartoons about the Ku Klux Klan would be provocative, because the Klan might burn a cross on the cartoonist's lawn, or that publication of The Satanic Verses was provocative because the Ayatollah suborned Rushdie's murder.

Weapons grade bullshit.

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:30 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Provocation? Bullshit. It's no more "provocation" than the Broadway play "Book of Mormon" or the publication of a book like The End Of Faith or The God Delusion.

That's like saying that publishing cartoons about the Ku Klux Klan would be provocative, because the Klan might burn a cross on the cartoonist's lawn, or that publication of The Satanic Verses was provocative because the Ayatollah suborned Rushdie's murder.

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Post by Animavore » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:31 pm

The mag is a satirical mag. Every week I'm sure it sends up the week's news and events. Kind of like Private Eye. All these riots are part of those week's events. They are not exempt from mockery.
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Post by Rum » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:09 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Provocation? Bullshit. It's no more "provocation" than the Broadway play "Book of Mormon" or the publication of a book like The End Of Faith or The God Delusion.

That's like saying that publishing cartoons about the Ku Klux Klan would be provocative, because the Klan might burn a cross on the cartoonist's lawn, or that publication of The Satanic Verses was provocative because the Ayatollah suborned Rushdie's murder.

Weapons grade bullshit.
I guess we should be used to this sort of response from you but I still find it rather unpleasant.

I an only assume that the publishers have chosen the time to publish the pictures very carefully. Given what has been happening around the world there will probably be a further violent response. I f I am confronted with an angry rattle snake I would choose my time to anger it further. I would in due course though.

That fact that I am questioning the timing does not mean I question the right or the freedom to do so, just the motivation.

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Post by Robert_S » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:23 pm

Is it a snake or is it a child throwing a tantrum?

When the US bombed Iraq, was there a response like this?

When we shoot up someone's wedding do we get a response like this?
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:24 pm

Craven nonsense, Rum.

We don't give this sort of attention to violence by Christian groups, ay? Best not open that abortion clinic, because some nut jobs might want to bomb it. Timing could be better...

Best not release the movie Dogma, because Catholics are upset about it, right? Timing bad? It's a "provocation?" Not to worry -- we're not afraid of the Catholics because they're not blowing things up and suborning murder.

And, this isn't just my view, which you've come to expect. This is perfectly in accord with the comments made by Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Sam Harris, both of whom have published articles stating unequivocally that the "timing" is irrelevant. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/on-t ... ginary-god and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-ga ... 93278.html

The motivation doesn't matter. There are lots of horrid motivations -- like "Draw Muhammed Day" may well be motivated by a desire to deride Islam. What do we do with that knowledge? How does it change anything? Are we to delay "Draw Muhammed Day" because some (repeat -- some) Muslims might become violent about it? Choose a better timing?

Sheer nonsense, and counterproductive ultimately. When you give in at all into the wrongheaded and ridiculous claims of offense, you breathe life and strength into them. None of the statements about understanding their angst and deploring the insults to their religion made anything better. The jackasses who are rioting are only sent the message that their riots are justified. They are told they are correct, and that there is justification for being "offended" by this nonsense.

The reality is that there is no justification in what they are doing. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Not a little bit. Nothing to "understand" here. They're dead fucking wrong. Someone making a video or a cartoon that bothers the sensibilities of a religious person is no just reason for violence, and that needs to be rammed home.

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Post by Rum » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:33 pm

Just because you can do or say something does not mean that you should or that it is wise to. Doing so is the childish thing.

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Post by Gerald McGrew » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:50 pm

Isn't it possible that both parties to all this are acting childishly and stupidly?

I agree that the Muslims who are rioting and going beyond simple protesting (which is also free speech) over movies and cartoons are childish, ignorant idiots.

However, I would also say that the people who go out of their way to intentionally further provoke and offend the above people are also being extremely childish and stupid. It's like they're saying, "Oh, this offends you? Here, let me do that in your face 100 times then!"

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Post by MrJonno » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:12 pm

You know what I hate the most about this is that I don't actually like being deliberately offensive to people including those are religious. Sure I might say their religion is fact free, no heaven or hell god etc and they might get offended by that , but I'm not deliberately trying to upset them.

I don't see the point in being offensive for the sake of it and I wouldn't normally want to put Muhammed cartoons up, as I know plenty of decent muslims who would be upset by this but when you see people being murdered over it part of me wants to say fuck it even it means offending decent non-violent muslims I have to upset all of them with the cartoons.

Not sure if any of that makes sense maybe someone else can translate it
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Re: French magazine publishes Muhammed lulz.

Post by klr » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:23 pm

Robert_S wrote:Is it a snake or is it a child throwing a tantrum?

When the US bombed Iraq, was there a response like this?

When we shoot up someone's wedding do we get a response like this?
The answer is of course "no". Strange priorities some people have.
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