US ambassador 'killed in Libya'

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Breaking:

[Ian]

A much stronger response is needed from the US. Suspending aid and diplomatic relations would be a start...

Response to who? The mobs weren't acting on behalf of some government policy in Egypt or Libya or Yemen. Moreover, local security has been helping (in vain, esp. in Libya) to fight off the disturbances. We can criticize those governments plenty, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that they might be responsible for instigating this.

(Major caveat: unless, however, their medias, which tend to be state-run, were acting on behalf of government directions when they broadcast news of this amateur film that few have ever heard of and then claimed that it was being widely shown on American TV on the anniversary of 9/11. Those media outlets deserve the lion's share of blame for inciting the sort of people who don't need any more incitement to act crazy.)

This is what the mobs themselves apparently don't understand. There's a difference between the opinions of a few private citizens and the official line of their nation.

[Svartalf]

Hey, it's how it works at home, of course they don't get it works otherwise in civilized places.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ian, any truth that the USN is heading for Libya?

[Ian]

Ian, any truth that the USN is heading for Libya?

Two DDGs are being repositioned off the coast. Not that they're likely to do much - it's just a show-the-flag sort of thing.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ian, any truth that the USN is heading for Libya?

Two DDGs are being repositioned off the coast. Not that they're likely to do much - it's just a show-the-flag sort of thing.

Gonna cross The Line of Death?

[Coito ergo sum]

A much stronger response is needed from the US. Suspending aid and diplomatic relations would be a start...

Response to who? The mobs weren't acting on behalf of some government policy in Egypt or Libya or Yemen.

That isn't exactly known yet. It is quite possible that they were acting on behalf of government policy. These kinds of things don't happen spontaneously in these countries. Protests are organized, and if they didn't have some support from the State, the police and military would not allow the protests. And, these were heavily armed folks -- rocket launchers, rocket propelled grenades, the whole thing. This was not just a bunch of pissed off religious zealots whipped up by a firey speech in a mosque against some dopey film.

Moreover, local security has been helping (in vain, esp. in Libya) to fight off the disturbances. We can criticize those governments plenty, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that they might be responsible for instigating this.

(Major caveat: unless, however, their medias, which tend to be state-run, were acting on behalf of government directions when they broadcast news of this amateur film that few have ever heard of and then claimed that it was being widely shown on American TV on the anniversary of 9/11. Those media outlets deserve the lion's share of blame for inciting the sort of people who don't need any more incitement to act crazy.)

This was obviously coordinated well in advance. The movie is a mere pretext.

This is what the mobs themselves apparently don't understand. There's a difference between the opinions of a few private citizens and the official line of their nation.

These mobs are orchestrated and they are doing what they are told. Things like this don't happen over there on their own.

The Muslim Brotherhood's statements have only deplored the movie, and any insults to Mohammed and religion. They have not said much, if anything, against the attacks on the Embassy. http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=30285

One point of view seems fairly persuasive -- and possible:

Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and three staff members at the US consulate in Benghazi were deliberately murdered Tuesday night Sept 11 just after memorial ceremonies were held in America for the victims of the 9/11 outrage. DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources report exclusively that far from being a spontaneous raid by angry Islamists, it was a professionally executed terrorist operation by a professional Al Qaeda assassination team, whose 20 members acted under the orders of their leader Ayman al Zawahri after special training. They were all Libyans, freed last year from prisons where they were serving sentences for terrorism passed during the late Muammar Qaddafi’s rule.
In a video tape released a few hours before the attack, Zawahri called on the faithful to take revenge on the United States for liquidating one of the organization’s top operatives, Libyan-born Abu Yahya al-Libi in June by a US drone in northwestern Pakistan.
Its release was the “go” signal for the hit team to attack the US diplomats in Benghazi.
To mask their mission, they stormed the consulate on the back of a violent protest by hundreds of Islamists against a film said to insult Prophet Muhammed produced by a Florida real estate agent called Sam Bacile, who has been described as of Israeli origin.
The operation is rated by terror experts as the most ambitious outrage al Qaeda has pulled off in the last decade. According to our sources, the gunmen split into two groups of 10 each and struck in two stages:
1. They first fired rockets at the consulate building on the assumption that the ambassador’s bodyguards would grab him, race him out of the building and drive him to a safe place under the protection of the US secret service;
2. The second group was able to identify the getaway vehicle and the ambassador’s armed escort and lay in wait to ambush them. The gunmen then closed in and killed the ambassador and his bodyguards at point blank range.

http://www.debka.com/article/22353/Al-Z ... r-Stevens-

[Svartalf]

Any leaders or organizers you might want to give the Osama treatment to?

[Tyrannical]

The actors in "the movie" claimed they were duped and had no idea the movie had anything to do with Islam and that the movie was redubbed to include it. The Israeli Jew that wrote/directed/produced it seems a bit on the mysterious side. I'm not so big into conspiracy theories, but an Israeli plot to stir up the Muzzies as an excuse for bombing Iranian nuclear stuff or making Obama lose reelection isn't far fetched.

[Seth]

I've got a better idea. Immediately stop the 30 Billion + annual military aid to Egypt. Immediately stop all aid of any sort to Libya. Do the same to everybody else on the fucking planet. Pull all overseas troops home, shut down all overseas military bases, repudiate any and all mutual defense treaties. Place the 11 carrier groups around the U.S. and it's territories. Build a few thousand 100 megaton weapons and aim them at everybody outside our borders. Spend all that money taking care of our own shit and change the national motto to "KMAG YOYO" (Kiss my ass goodbye, you're on your own).

[Seth]

The actors in "the movie" claimed they were duped and had no idea the movie had anything to do with Islam and that the movie was redubbed to include it. The Israeli Jew that wrote/directed/produced it seems a bit on the mysterious side. I'm not so big into conspiracy theories, but an Israeli plot to stir up the Muzzies as an excuse for bombing Iranian nuclear stuff or making Obama lose reelection isn't far fetched.

Not far fetched at all I'm afraid.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[Ian]

Did you mean to put that in the Posters thread?

[Coito ergo sum]

And, the American Jobs Act passed with bipartisan support and was signed into law in April.

The Senate passed the AmericanJOBS Act on a 73-26 vote. ALL 26 SENATORS WHO VOTED AGAINST IT WERE DEMOCRATS. Not Republicans. Democrats. The House voted 390-23 in favor of it.

So, I guess this means that Republicans do get to complain about food stamps and such now?

[Gerald McGrew]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_J ... ve_history

I think you're referring to the JOBS (Jumpstart Our Businesses) Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpstart_ ... artups_Act