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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Warren Dew » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:20 am

Blind groper wrote:The first rule of gun safety is that you never, never, never point a gun at another person, even if you are sure it is unloaded and has the safety on.
Somehow, military firearms training seems to neglect that rule.

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Post by JimC » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:29 am

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Blind groper wrote:The first rule of gun safety is that you never, never, never point a gun at another person, even if you are sure it is unloaded and has the safety on.
Somehow, military firearms training seems to neglect that rule.
Not in training, hopefully...

Although my father in WW2 pushed that rule. Towards the end of the war, stationed in Queensland, he used to enliven parties at the officers mess by shooting a cigarette from a fellow officers lips at 10 paces with a .22 target pistol...

At some stage, higher authorities put an end to this activity... ;)
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Post by padraic » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:57 am

Somehow, military firearms training seems to neglect that rule.

Not in training. Only ever saw that happen once; recruit turned around with a loaded rifle so it pointed at the DI. Said recruit actually received a boot right up the clacker. :shock:

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Post by colubridae » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:04 am

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Sehr gut! Ja, du bist recht.

s/b Sehr gut! Ja, du hast recht.

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Post by Seth » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:37 pm

Gallstones wrote:I so need a lecture on gun safety.
From a nutbar who's never used one, much less qualified to lecture on the subject.
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Post by Seth » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:43 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
Blind groper wrote:The first rule of gun safety is that you never, never, never point a gun at another person, even if you are sure it is unloaded and has the safety on.
Somehow, military firearms training seems to neglect that rule.
That's not the first rule. The first rule is "All guns are always loaded at all times, even (or especially) when they're not."

The second rule is "Never point the muzzle of a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy."

The third rule is: "Always be certain of your target, and what's BEHIND your target."

The fourth rule is: "Never place your finger on the trigger until you are on target and prepared to fire."

The fifth rule is: "Squeeze, don't jerk."

The sixth rule is: "Put two in the chest and then transition to the head. If it's still in your sights, put one in the head."

The seventh rule is: "Never turn your back on your enemy until he is disarmed and secured or you're absolutely certain he's dead."
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:57 pm

Blanks aren't safe either, the gaseous discharge can cause severe harm from a few feet away. One actor even killed himself by pointing a blank to his head.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:00 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Blanks aren't safe either, the gaseous discharge can cause severe harm from a few feet away. One actor even killed himself by pointing a blank to his head.
Brandon Lee. Or so the story goes.
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Post by Warren Dew » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:44 pm

JimC wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Blind groper wrote:The first rule of gun safety is that you never, never, never point a gun at another person, even if you are sure it is unloaded and has the safety on.
Somehow, military firearms training seems to neglect that rule.
Not in training, hopefully...
When I took rifle and pistol classes in college, the first thing they taught me was never to point a gun at anyone.

When I got some rifle training from the marines, they had me shooting at people - with blanks - within hours.

The latter was very jarring, given the former, actually. It did make sense, though; if your job is to kill the enemy, you can't be hesitating because of a rule about not aiming at people. As I recall, their primary safety rule was to keep the muzzle of the rifle pointed upwards when not trying to shoot someone.

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Post by Tyrannical » Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:41 am

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Tyrannical wrote:Blanks aren't safe either, the gaseous discharge can cause severe harm from a few feet away. One actor even killed himself by pointing a blank to his head.
Brandon Lee. Or so the story goes.
That wasn't the one I had in mind, it was some 80's TV star. He put a pistol with blanks to his head and pulled the trigger, fracturing his skull.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum
On October 12, 1984, the cast and crew of Cover Up were filming the seventh episode of the series, "Golden Opportunity," on Stage 17 of the 20th Century Fox lot. One of the scenes filmed that day called for Hexum's character to load blanks into a .44 Magnum handgun. When the scene did not play as the director wanted it to play in the master shot, there was a delay in filming. Hexum became restless and impatient during the delay and began playing around to lighten the mood. Apparently, he had unloaded all but one (blank) round, spun it, and in what would appear to be a game of Russian roulette, at 5:15 p.m., he put the revolver to his right temple and pulled the trigger.[6]

Hexum was apparently unaware that his actions were dangerous. Blanks use paper or plastic wadding to seal gunpowder into the cartridge, and this wadding is propelled from the barrel of the gun with enough force to cause severe injury or death if the weapon is fired within a few inches of the body, especially if pointed at a particularly vulnerable spot, such as the temple or the eye. Although the paper wadding in the blank that Hexum discharged did not penetrate his skull, the wad struck him in the temple with enough blunt force trauma to shatter a quarter-sized piece of his skull and propel the pieces into his brain, causing massive hemorrhaging
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Post by Gallstones » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:48 pm

Conversation started yesterday at Flickr by one of my long time friendly contacts, someone I've traded art with.

Posted to my recent me and rifle pic.

Her: "What's the point of these photos???"

Me: (thinking WTF?) What do you mean?

Her: "Guns?"

Me: (thinking, here we go..) Yes? I own guns. I like them.

Waiting......for the inevitable

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Post by Gallstones » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:57 pm

There was another shooting!!!!!!................ :panic:


.......in France.

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...what the police failed to discover for another eight hours, was that Zainab’s four-year-old sister Zeena was also inside the car, hiding unscathed under her mother or grandmother’s skirt, having escaped the killers’ notice.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:01 pm

If only Zeena hadn't been armed. :dq:
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Post by Blind groper » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:01 pm

I will not be commenting for the next 11 days. I am off on a scuba diving trip, to make friends with genuine sharks.
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