Guns used for lawful self defense

[Seth]

It's you that can't separate fantasy from reality. You think the world is run by Care Bears and unicorns and that bad shit doesn't happen to good people suddenly and without warning and that nobody but the police are competent to engage in armed self defense.

No, Seth.

Let me take you back my earliest posts. There is just one country on this planet with the sad and deluded belief that carrying tools for murder is a human right. It is also the only country among the 20 odd advanced western nations with widespread availability of hand guns. Of those advanced nations, it is the only one with a third world level of homicide.

The world is not run by care bears, and letting all and sundry have hand guns does not reduce gun crime. It increases gun crime and increases homicides and increases suicides.

Tell it to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

Tell it to the 2 million people a year who are NOT victimized by violent criminals because they had a gun.

You don't know what you're talking about, it's just that simple.

Bad shit can, indeed, happen to good people suddenly and without warning, and the police are definitely not always able to cope with it. That bad shit happens far more often when the government and people are idiotic enough to allow murder tools in widespread possession. I mean specifically hand guns. American statistics show this to be true.

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American statistics show that Americans are safer from violent crime, in spite of the number of gun homicides, than the residents of Glasgow or London precisely because we have guns with which to defend ourselves.

[JimC]

Well said, BG...

[Woodbutcher]

It's you that can't separate fantasy from reality. You think the world is run by Care Bears and unicorns and that bad shit doesn't happen to good people suddenly and without warning and that nobody but the police are competent to engage in armed self defense.

No, Seth.

Let me take you back my earliest posts. There is just one country on this planet with the sad and deluded belief that carrying tools for murder is a human right. It is also the only country among the 20 odd advanced western nations with widespread availability of hand guns. Of those advanced nations, it is the only one with a third world level of homicide.

The world is not run by care bears, and letting all and sundry have hand guns does not reduce gun crime. It increases gun crime and increases homicides and increases suicides.

Tell it to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

Tell it to the 2 million people a year who are NOT victimized by violent criminals because they had a gun.

You don't know what you're talking about, it's just that simple.

Bad shit can, indeed, happen to good people suddenly and without warning, and the police are definitely not always able to cope with it. That bad shit happens far more often when the government and people are idiotic enough to allow murder tools in widespread possession. I mean specifically hand guns. American statistics show this to be true.

American statistics show that Americans are safer from violent crime, in spite of the number of gun homicides, than the residents of Glasgow or London precisely because we have guns with which to defend ourselves.[/quote]
Where do you get this? Quote needed.
Also, seems that you get deaded in the States more often than in Glasgow. Violent crime is not the same in all countries as far as statistics are concerned. From your statements it's apparent that The States is a fucking zoo where no one is safe unless they carry. I beg to differ.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[Tyrannical]

It's you that can't separate fantasy from reality. You think the world is run by Care Bears and unicorns and that bad shit doesn't happen to good people suddenly and without warning and that nobody but the police are competent to engage in armed self defense.

No, Seth.

Let me take you back my earliest posts. There is just one country on this planet with the sad and deluded belief that carrying tools for murder is a human right. It is also the only country among the 20 odd advanced western nations with widespread availability of hand guns. Of those advanced nations, it is the only one with a third world level of homicide.

We are also the only advanced nation with a significant third world population and it is that population that is responsible for our high crime / homicide level.
Blacks are simply too criminally inclined to be allowed equal rights in a civilized society because it is an inherent universal behavioral flaw in that population. No matter where on Earth you find Blacks, you find extreme level of violence and criminality caused by them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[Blind groper]

We are also the only advanced nation with a significant third world population and it is that population that is responsible for our high crime / homicide level.

Total and utter crap. The Black portion of the USA is 13%. Here in New Zealand, we have 30% Polynesian. The homicide rate here is 0.9 per 100,000 per year. In the USA, it is 4.2. Your Black people probably kill a lot more proportionally compared to whites, but the NZ Polynesians are also disproportionately represented in violent crimes statistics. (51% of our prison population is Maori, and they make up only 13% of the adult population). You cannot blame your third world homicide rate on a few people of African descent.

[MrJonno]

Most violence is not drugs (unless you count alcohol) or gangs its domestic.

Who is the person most likely to kill your loved ones, easy you are

[Blind groper]

To Mr. Jonno.

Guess what weapon is most used when one spouse kills the other?


Easy. In the USA, it is a hand gun.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

To Mr. Jonno.

Guess what weapon is most used when one spouse kills the other?


Easy. In the USA, it is a hand gun.

That's why our divorce rate is so low.

[Tyrannical]

We are also the only advanced nation with a significant third world population and it is that population that is responsible for our high crime / homicide level.

Total and utter crap. The Black portion of the USA is 13%. Here in New Zealand, we have 30% Polynesian. The homicide rate here is 0.9 per 100,000 per year. In the USA, it is 4.2. Your Black people probably kill a lot more proportionally compared to whites, but the NZ Polynesians are also disproportionately represented in violent crimes statistics. (51% of our prison population is Maori, and they make up only 13% of the adult population). You cannot blame your third world homicide rate on a few people of African descent.

That 13% of Blacks is responsible for over 50% of the murders in the US

[Blind groper]

I have no doubt of it, Tyrannical.
However, why do the 30% Polynesian people in NZ, who are every bit as violent as your blacks, not generate as many murders? In fact, less than a quarter the murders per capita compared to the USA?

Short answer, they do not have the tools. We do not permit people to own and carry hand guns. They are restricted to knives, clubs and chains, which are far less lethal. In spite of their violent intent, they cannot kill the way your people do.

[Seth]

63-Year-Old Cancer Patient Armed With a Shotgun Holds Off Home Intruders

A 63-year-old man with stage 4 lymphoma used a shotgun to hold off two intruders who broke into his home.

Dixon Smith of Laketon Township, Mich. told MLive.com he confronted the two men just before noon on Thursday after he heard them talking downstairs shortly after his wife left to go shopping. He grabbed the gun and waited as they made it up to the second floor.

“They made it almost to the top stair. I came out and told them to lay down,” Smith told MLive.

And no shots fired...

[tattuchu]

Linkin Leatham, 'Miracle' Baby, Dies After Accidentally Shooting Himself With Father's Gun

A toddler who overcame serious health problems at birth died after accidentally shooting himself with his father's gun in their Utah home.

Linkin Leatham's parents described their two-year-old as a "miracle" baby who defied doctors' expectations by fully recovering from "multiple medical complications," according to an obituary in the Provo Daily Herald.

Melinda and Owen Leatham were in their Springville home last Tuesday when their son picked up a handgun left at his eye level and inadvertently fired it, according to KSL. But they didn't see him do it.

Linkin "tragically died in his parents' arms," the obituary said.
The first two months of Linkin's life were spent inside a children's hospital where he bounced back from the unspecified congenital ailments. As his parents said in the obit, he was "a fighter from the beginning."

The family held a funeral Saturday and the parents said that his heart and corneas were donated to help another child.

The Utah County district attorney's office is investigating his death and are waiting for autopsy results for answers to how the child pulled the trigger, the Salt Lake Tribune reports.

Owen Leatham is a police officer, but the weapon that killed Linkin wasn't his service gun, reports said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 93741.html

And the father was a trained professional, no less.

If only there had been more guns in the house, someone might have been able to shoot the boy...to prevent him from shooting himself. The solution, of course, is always more guns.

[Seth]

And the father was a trained professional, no less.

If only there had been more guns in the house, someone might have been able to shoot the boy...to prevent him from shooting himself. The solution, of course, is always more guns.

According to the CDC, of the leading 20 causes of death among children 1 to 10 years old, unintentional firearms deaths come in at number 11, or 1.6% (36) of the 2,257 deaths in 2010.

If we broaden the age range to 1-13 years, unintentional gun deaths only jump one bracket, to #10, with only a total of 54 deaths in 2010.

By age range:

<1 to 1 = 1
1 to 2 = 8
2 to 3 = 16
3 to 4 = 17
4 to 5 = 12
5 to 6 = 5
6 to 7 = 3
7 to 8 = 4
8 to 9 = 4
9 to 10 = 2
10 to 11 = 5
11 to 12 = 8
12 to 13 = 13
13 to 14 = 18
14 to 15 = 19
15 to 16 = 22
16 to 17 = 25
17 to 18 = 30
18 to 19 = 36

In no age group does the unintentional death rate from firearms rise above number 5 on the list of causes.

So, among young children, there's a spike between 2 and 5 years, which coincides with the child's physical development and ability to manipulate a firearm. Gun safety training beginning very early is obviously called for, even before the child enters pre-school, and should include parents.

Thirty six accidental deaths of children 1 to 10 (excluding suicides, homicides and teen violence...hoplophobes love to lump in to the statistics teenage gang-related violence by deliberately picking age ranges that include the high-risk teenage years) versus up to two million time per year when firearms are lawfully used to stop violent crime.

Nobody records statistics for how many times children use guns to successfully defend themselves or others (and yes it does happen) or how many times lawful use of a firearm by an adult SAVES a child's life, which also happens.

If my plan of teaching mandatory firearms safety training in the first grade and graduating to gun handling, operation and marksmanship training throughout the child's education right up to high school were implemented, accidental injuries and deaths would certainly drop because (I speculate) the majority of child-involved gun accidents are directly related to a lack of training of both the parents and the children. In a generation, with universal gun safety training, I expect such accidents to nearly disappear entirely.

As it is, 36 kids in a country of 300 million people with 250 millions guns is 0.00000012 percent (1.2 ten-millionths of a percent) accident rate. Enviable by any standard at all and hardly an adequate or rational argument for banning guns, which would leave 2 million people per year to be victimized by violent crime every year because they are unarmed. (0.0067percent of the population)