The Atheism Plus "movement" -- good, bad, ugly?

[Bella Fortuna]

It got spoilered by a mod.

[surreptitious57]

Many, many rules.

I think it has a rule about having many, many rules.

There is nothing wrong with the rules and a few from this side have joined so hopefully it will not be just a mirror image of its two sisters. I mentioned this on it expecting some criticism and nothing, absolutely nothing so that is good. I would like it if the two sides were equally balanced. But early days yet so we shall have to take it one at a time. But thumbs up so far.

[Audley Strange]

PZ Myers describing A+

Imagine a great big party with a lot of diverse attitudes present, and you discover that a few of the invited attendees are also hooligans who wander about calling everyone “cunts” and slapping derrieres and telling women to stop being so sensitive, it was only a quick fondle. Also they smell bad. We’re the segment of the party that’s decided to go off to the library and enjoy some good conversation with the interesting people.

Go off? Hasn't it been obvious everyone is telling them to calm down or fuck off for a long while? It's a party, not a place for someone's drunk neurotic cousin to come burdening me with her fucking personal issues after some guy asked her if she'd like a drink or for that mad bitch over there to start going on about the Illuminati being a social construct that makes you want to eat babies if you don't buy her friend's magic turd on a string.

Look I don't know who invited them in the the first place. Perhaps Hitch said "this place is a sausage fest lets get some chicks in here" or something, but you know what? That lot are just a fucking bring down. Since the moment they turned up at this gig they've done nothing but bitch and whine about this party and everyone at it. Seriously, is anyone actually upset that they're fucking off finally?

[colubridae]

It got spoilered by a mod.

The problem is once you know they spolier/delete, you can never be 100% sure about anything on their forum.
Once they delete stuff, all else is suspect.
"if they censure me, what else do they censure?"

That's the beauty of ratz. Posters may get severe reprimands, but stuff is never deleted. (Except of course for outside interference, this forum is a delete free zone.)
everyone can see your evil/good intentions.

You can run but you can't hide.

[HomerJay]

[Coito ergo sum]

We can criticize religion and irrational thinking just as unabashedly and just as publicly, but we need to stop exempting ourselves from that criticism.

- Jen McCreight (Atheism +).

Huh, there seems to be a HEAVY does of irony, since those criticizing the ideas expressed by Atheism +'ers are dismissed as disgusting, persons to be made pariahs, unwelcome in the movement, sinners to be purged, "evil" and the like....

What the fuck, Atheism +? http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... f-atheism/

[Thinking Aloud]

Bugger! They also registered atheismminus.com, and the .orgs for both.

[colubridae]

Never understood the title. "Anal itch assist"

Does it mean if your anal itch is not up to snuff, this can improve it?
"Anus not itch enough?, try anal itch assist"

[Audley Strange]

We can criticize religion and irrational thinking just as unabashedly and just as publicly, but we need to stop exempting ourselves from that criticism.

- Jen McCreight (Atheism +).

Huh, there seems to be a HEAVY does of irony, since those criticizing the ideas expressed by Atheism +'ers are dismissed as disgusting, persons to be made pariahs, unwelcome in the movement, sinners to be purged, "evil" and the like....

What the fuck, Atheism +? http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... f-atheism/

Hey at least she recognises they've been deliberately exempting themselves from criticism yes? Now if she can go that one step further and actually consider, is it women's rights and equality and civility we despise or could it be something else?

Could it be that we don't trust a small clique's anecdotes as being evidence of endemic misogyny in the atheist communities?

Could it be that said small clique seemed to be doing this were being unreasonable in their claims, and their demands and then in their reaction to people who thought both were unfounded?

Could it be that rather even listen to criticism, they claimed victimhood and used any criticism as a self rationalisation to support their claim of victimhood?

Could it be that people were genuinely concerned that these issues were trivial, not to be conflated with women's rights issues and in fact insulting to those who actually suffer real physical and mental oppression?

Could it be that many people are supporters of all the things Ape Lust are, but just find them as a group so fucking shrill, petulant, narcissistic, paranoid and totalitarian and well, in short, just fucking annoying?

[Robert_S]

There are many out there that think social-political outlooks come in packages with labels. Much evil comes from this.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

Apparently PZ Myers, Matt Dillahunty, and Greta Christina are scheduled as presenters at the American Atheists Convention in Denver this week. I'm wondering how all this Theism of Atheism nonsense is going to play out there. Especially since I live rather close to where it is going to be held....

[Audley Strange]

There are many out there that think social-political outlooks come in packages with labels. Much evil comes from this.

Indeed. Prepackaged ideological thinking leads to pogroms, genocide, ethnic cleansing, death camps and a whole host of other lovely behaviours that are only a few steps away from the naive thinking of "the world would be a better place if only EVERYONE..."

I don't care if your torching Jews for Jesus or gassing them for the purity of the Fatherland or fomenting rebellion for your little red book or your liberal ideals of "fairness". You have a belief system for everyone? You're diseased.

[HomerJay]

Apparently PZ Myers, Matt Dillahunty, and Greta Christina are scheduled as presenters at the American Atheists Convention in Denver this week. I'm wondering how all this Theism of Atheism nonsense is going to play out there. Especially since I live rather close to where it is going to be held....

Yes, it will be difficult if PZ starts off with 'OK, a show of hands now, which of you are just cunts?'

I recognise the name, from FTB?

If I sign up at Atheism+ forum I was thinking of the user name Otis.

[Audley Strange]

As in Otis and Henry?

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

Apparently PZ Myers, Matt Dillahunty, and Greta Christina are scheduled as presenters at the American Atheists Convention in Denver this week. I'm wondering how all this Theism of Atheism nonsense is going to play out there. Especially since I live rather close to where it is going to be held....

Yes, it will be difficult if PZ starts off with 'OK, a show of hands now, which of you are just cunts?'

I recognise the name, from FTB?

If I sign up at Atheism+ forum I was thinking of the user name Otis.

They are all FTBers and heavily involved in this whole "elevatorgate" nonsense, which I had never head of until sometime this last week or two, when I opened up my email from Sam Harris about trolls and was surprised to find him naming PZ and decided to dig deeper. Previously I must have been blissfully "priviledged" (apparently the New Original Sin of the FTB blogThink world) to have been happily unaware of the whole sordid witch hunt.

I had sort of been looking forward to going to the Con, before I learned about all this. Now I sort of want to to anyway, to see if these clowns are going to be pushing it (and hanging signs saying God is Watching You Thinking about my Boobs") and what petty dramas might rear their ugly heads, if nothing else to report it back to some of the community at large....but then again, I dunno.....meh....