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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:16 pm

Ian wrote:Well than I think we should've gotten out some of the guns and taken some shots at the trains that passed nearby. :biggrin:
The local cops already have me on that list, so no.
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Seth » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:34 pm

Blind groper wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Then why the feeling that you're at liberty to scold an entire country?
Gawdzilla

This is a debate about the harm caused by guns.
We are simply discussing the debate topic. Not scolding anyone.
The problem is that ALL you look at is the harm caused by guns. You utterly refuse to acknowledge the harm PREVENTED by an armed citizenry. That makes your arguments more of a polemic than any sort of rational debate.
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:36 pm

This is one of those rare occasions when I agree with Seth.
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Wumbologist » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:44 pm

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I think I could give a couple. One on one of course. :shifty:
I typically do well under such close personal instruction. :demon:

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:45 pm

Wumbologist wrote:
Twoflower wrote:
I think I could give a couple. One on one of course. :shifty:
I typically do well under such close personal instruction. :demon:
You should vary that with "over" and "both on your sides". Just sayin'.
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Ian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:48 pm

One could also make the case that the US homicide rate by guns is remarkably low given how prevalent they are. Some comparison statistics:

Gun-related homicide rate in the US: 4.14 per 1000 people.
Ratio of guns to people in the US: 888 to 1000

Gun-related homicide rate in Estonia: 8.07 per 1000 people.
Ratio of guns to people in Estonia: 92 to 1000

So, we could say that Estonia has nearly double the gun-homicide rate as the US with barely 10% of the guns per capita.

Just a thought off the top of me head. :ask:

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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by FBM » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:50 pm

Seth wrote:
Blind groper wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Then why the feeling that you're at liberty to scold an entire country?
Gawdzilla

This is a debate about the harm caused by guns.
We are simply discussing the debate topic. Not scolding anyone.
The problem is that ALL you look at is the harm caused by guns. You utterly refuse to acknowledge the harm PREVENTED by an armed citizenry. That makes your arguments more of a polemic than any sort of rational debate.
I must agree, because I have not only viewed the stats on the number of crimes prevented by the presence of a firearm on the part of the intended victim, but have personally prevented at least 2 and probably 3 violent crimes by demonstrating to the potential offender that I had a firearm and was willing to use it to protect myself and the people I was with at the time.
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Twoflower » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:07 pm

I would love to take some of the anti-gun people here to an elk dinner or duck unlimited dinner. Showing them part of the gun culture might help explain a few things.
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And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Kristie » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:09 pm

Twoflower wrote:I would love to take some of the anti-gun people here to an elk dinner or duck unlimited dinner. Showing them part of the gun culture might help explain a few things.
I'm anti-gun, but it's not because I haven't been exposed to guns. I have several cops in my family, my sister went to Iraq and my Dad carries everyday. I just don't like guns.
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Twoflower » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:11 pm

Kristie wrote:
Twoflower wrote:I would love to take some of the anti-gun people here to an elk dinner or duck unlimited dinner. Showing them part of the gun culture might help explain a few things.
I'm anti-gun, but it's not because I haven't been exposed to guns. I have several cops in my family, my sister went to Iraq and my Dad carries everyday. I just don't like guns.
I was talking more about the non Americans, I feel like Americans who are anti gun or don't like guns at least have some knowledge and insight about them, like you do.

That being said if you want to come to the Elk Dinner with me it would be awesome!
I'm wild just like a rock, a stone, a tree
And I'm free, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Ian » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:12 pm

Kristie wrote:
Twoflower wrote:I would love to take some of the anti-gun people here to an elk dinner or duck unlimited dinner. Showing them part of the gun culture might help explain a few things.
I'm anti-gun, but it's not because I haven't been exposed to guns. I have several cops in my family, my sister went to Iraq and my Dad carries everyday. I just don't like guns.
I don't like them either, and I own one. What I do like is that I'm allowed to own one.

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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Kristie » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:13 pm

Ian wrote:
Kristie wrote:
Twoflower wrote:I would love to take some of the anti-gun people here to an elk dinner or duck unlimited dinner. Showing them part of the gun culture might help explain a few things.
I'm anti-gun, but it's not because I haven't been exposed to guns. I have several cops in my family, my sister went to Iraq and my Dad carries everyday. I just don't like guns.
I don't like them either, and I own one. What I do like is that I'm allowed to own one.
I like that bit, too. I'm just glad my husband doesn't exercise that right. :biggrin:
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Kristie » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:14 pm

Twoflower wrote:
Kristie wrote:
Twoflower wrote:I would love to take some of the anti-gun people here to an elk dinner or duck unlimited dinner. Showing them part of the gun culture might help explain a few things.
I'm anti-gun, but it's not because I haven't been exposed to guns. I have several cops in my family, my sister went to Iraq and my Dad carries everyday. I just don't like guns.
I was talking more about the non Americans, I feel like Americans who are anti gun or don't like guns at least have some knowledge and insight about them, like you do.

That being said if you want to come to the Elk Dinner with me it would be awesome!
:woot: Will there be elk burgers?! Those were :food:
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Twoflower » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:15 pm

Oddly enough there are not elk burgers which makes me :(
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Re: Bang, Bang, Yer Dead!

Post by Kristie » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:16 pm

Twoflower wrote:Oddly enough there are not elk burgers which makes me :(
That is so misleading! :lay:
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