Having a form of identification to vote.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've asked you for sources and am still waiting.

[Tyrannical]

I've never understood the fuss about voter ID laws. You can't buy smokes, booze, collect welfare, drive a car, cash a check, get a job and numerous other things without an ID. Unless you have some strange right-wing paranoia about the government it doesn't make sense.

Voter fraud may be a serious problem, but certain leftists refuse to investigate it. Then they use their refusal to investigate as proof that there is no problem because they catch no one because they never look.

Who exactly does not have ID? You can't legally take a job without ID, nor can you collect welfare. How do these people legally support themselves?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Voter fraud is not a problem. 34 cases in 40 years is nothing. And laws that are equitable and not intended to exclude legitimate voters are no problem.

[Tero]

Maybe we should bring gun permits back. Then let only gun owners vote.

[Tyrannical]

Voter fraud is not a problem. 34 cases in 40 years is nothing. And laws that are equitable and not intended to exclude legitimate voters are no problem.

Naw, the Klan doesn't lynch Negroes because no one has been convicted of it.
That's like saying racism wasn't a problem in the old South because racist district attorneys refused to prosecute

[Coito ergo sum]

Maybe we should bring gun permits back. Then let only gun owners vote.

Bring them back? Where did they go?

[Svartalf]

Well, there have been examples here in the US of dead people voting.

34 cases in the last forty years. The need is dire.

Damn, that's 10% of the dead known to vote in one arrodissement of Paris...

[DaveD]

Voter ID isn't a bad idea, providing it doesn't cost the individual anything. A "nominal" fee will not mean anything to someone with plenty of money, but for someone poor it could mean the difference between eating or starving, and that's where the discrimination comes in.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Voter fraud is not a problem. 34 cases in 40 years is nothing. And laws that are equitable and not intended to exclude legitimate voters are no problem.

Naw, the Klan doesn't lynch Negroes because no one has been convicted of it.
That's like saying racism wasn't a problem in the old South because racist district attorneys refused to prosecute

[mistermack]

Of course, the REAL reason that people want to insist on ID is because it helps the right wing.

The right wing get their vote out much easier than the left. Any little thing that will make it more awkward will help the Republicans ( in the case of the US ).
Right wing people tend to be more obsessive about politics. They are more likely to plan their voting well in advance.
A lot of inner city people live less organised lives, and do things at the last minute. If they can't find their ID, or are unsure, they are likely to just say "sod it" and not bother.
It's hard enough getting a decent turnout, without putting unneccessary obstacles in the way.

[Tyrannical]

Voter ID isn't a bad idea, providing it doesn't cost the individual anything. A "nominal" fee will not mean anything to someone with plenty of money, but for someone poor it could mean the difference between eating or starving, and that's where the discrimination comes in.

The difference between having an ID and not could be the difference between starving and eating for the poor. No ID, not eligible for welfare.
So who are these legal voters too poor or lazy poor to acquire an ID but rich enough to not need welfare benefits?
Aside from right ring paranoids, it's criminals with bench warrants and illegal voters that benefit from no ID laws, and surprise surprise they vote Democrat.

I just wish States had the foresight to run a bench warrant check on all voters. Of course that would discourage criminals from voting, and by criminals I mean Blacks because it would suddenly become a racism issue.

[Jason]

In British Columbia you can get a photo ID card for $20 or so. You go to the same place you would to get a driver's license and you only have to provide a birth certificate AFAIK.

[Tero]

Maybe we should bring gun permits back. Then let only gun owners vote.

Bring them back? Where did they go?

I don't have one. Does Zilla?

[Coito ergo sum]

If he wants to carry a handgun around, then he needs one. That would obviously be discriminatory against minorities, because they are probably less able to get permits.

[Tyrannical]

In British Columbia you can get a photo ID card for $20 or so. You go to the same place you would to get a driver's license and you only have to provide a birth certificate AFAIK.

You can get them for free in the US if you are poor.