What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post Reply
Coito ergo sum
Posts: 32040
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 pm
Contact:

What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:45 pm

...and an effective, motivated, fiscally responsible, Republican Congress.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 88398.html
President Obama shocked us the other day when he said, "Since I've been president, federal spending has risen at the lowest pace in nearly 60 years." Having heard him champion the "multiplier effects" of deficit-financed stimulus spending, we saw him as an enthusiastic supporter of throwing other people's money at just about any problem.

Thus began our quest to see where we had strayed from the straight and narrow. Here's the picture.

In the chart nearby we've plotted federal government spending on a National Income and Product Accounts (NIPA) basis as a share of total U.S. GDP from 1990 to the present. The NIPA numbers are used here as opposed to appropriations or outlays to capture the actual periods when production occurs. The stories the chart tells are amazing.


Editorial board member Steve Moore details how spending soared under President Obama. Photo: Getty Images.

The first is how much government spending fell during President Bill Clinton's eight years in office and how low it was when he left office. When he became president in 1992, government spending was 23.5% of GDP, and when he left in 2001 it was 19.5% of GDP. President Clinton, in conjunction with a solid Republican Congress, cut government spending by more than any other president in modern times, and oversaw one of the greatest periods of economic growth and prosperity in U.S. history.

Sadly for fiscal conservatives, the biggest surge in government spending came during the last two years of President George W. Bush's eight years in office (2007-2008). A weakened Republican president dealing with a strident Democratic Congress, led by then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, resulted in an orgy of spending.

Mr. Bush and Republicans in Congress capitulated to and even promoted each and every government bailout and populist redistribution canard put before them. It's a long list, starting with the 2003 trillion-dollar Medicare prescription drug benefit and culminating with the actions taken to stem the 2008 financial meltdown—the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, the bailout of insurance giant AIG and government-sponsored lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the ill-advised 2008 $600-per-person tax rebate, the stimulus add-ons to 2007's housing and farm bills, etc. The script had it that greedy right-wingers were the cause of our collapse, and deficit spending and easy money the answer.

The numbers are mind boggling. From the second quarter of 2007, i.e., the first full quarter of a Pelosi-Reid dominated Congress and a politically weakened President Bush, to the second quarter of 2009 when President Obama assumed office, government spending skyrocketed to 27.3% of GDP from 21.4%. It was the largest peacetime expansion of government spending in U.S. history.

Enlarge Image

After taking office in 2009, with spending and debt already at record high levels and the deficit headed to $1 trillion, President Obama proceeded to pass his own $830 billion stimulus, auto bailouts, mortgage relief plans, the Dodd-Frank financial reforms and the $1.7 trillion ObamaCare entitlement (which isn't even accounted for in the chart). While spending did come down in 2010, it wasn't the result of spending cuts but rather because TARP loans began to be repaid, and that cash was counted against spending.

In 2011 and 2012, the pace of spending was slowed when a new emboldened breed of Republicans took back the House promising to end the binge. The House Budget Committee, headed by Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, has identified about $150 billion of new spending Mr. Obama wanted in 2011 and 2012 that Republicans would not approve. As the chart shows, government spending as a share of GDP fell, and taxes were not raised. But to attribute this drop in government spending to the president or congressional Democrats would be dishonest.

Slowing spending and the decision not to raise taxes may have prevented the Great Recession from becoming the next Great Depression. In 1930, the Smoot-Hawley tariff was signed into law by another weak Republican president, Herbert Hoover. Smoot-Hawley was the largest single tax increase on traded products in U.S. history. Not surprisingly, the markets collapsed.

Like President Obama, President Hoover proposed massive tax increases. Unlike Mr. Obama, Hoover was successful. The highest marginal income tax rate jumped to 63% from 24% on Jan. 1, 1932. That November, Hoover lost the election to Franklin D. Roosevelt in a landslide.

As if Hoover's tax increases weren't enough, on Jan. 1, 1936, FDR raised the highest marginal income tax rate to 79% with further rate increases up to 83% coming later. Estate and gift taxes, taxes on retained earnings, state and local taxes were also raised. This is why the Great Depression was the Great Depression—massive deficit spending and tax rate increases.

Enlarge Image

Associated Press
President Barack Obama.

Today's economy is again decelerating in no small part because on Jan. 1, 2013 we face Taxmageddon—the largest automatic tax increase on investment and businesses in generations, including the end of the Bush tax cuts and the more recent payroll tax cut. According to the Congressional Budget Office, this would drain $607 billion out of the economy next year, pushing us back into recession.

Keynesians, of course, are advising more deficit spending and easy money. But the most amazing feature of the nearby chart, which is rarely ever noted, is that when spending declined sharply the economy boomed under President Clinton, and when spending soared under Presidents Bush and Obama, the economy tanked.

Maybe Keynes was wrong and Milton Friedman was right when he warned that government spending is taxation and that government can't tax an economy into prosperity. Friedman made it clear time and again that restraining government spending stimulates the economy by liberating private resources.

The good news is that the tea party Republicans who took office after the 2010 elections have completely altered the face of the opposition. Legislation to repeal ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank soared through the House, as did Rep. Ryan's proposed plan to curb federal spending and lower tax rates for individuals and businesses.

Next, look for an insurrection of closet Clinton New Democrats against their party's big-government leadership, as may have begun last week when Mr. Clinton and other leading Democrats pronounced that all the Bush tax rates should remain in place for another year.

The right point of focus is not at what pace spending has grown under President Obama but instead how much more he needs to cut spending from its bloated levels to bring the economy back to health. The huge increase in spending as a percentage of GDP under Presidents Bush and Obama is the reason we are experiencing the slowest recovery since the Great Depression. As Milton Friedman understood, an economy cannot spend or tax itself into prosperity.
\

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60969
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:53 pm

What the US needs is a real left (i.e.progressive) party, and some one to nuke the GOP from orbit.
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

Coito ergo sum
Posts: 32040
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 pm
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:02 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:What the US needs is a real left (i.e.progressive) party, and some one to nuke the GOP from orbit.
If you were right, I could agree with you.

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60969
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:05 pm

You should, because I am right. The Republicans are no better than social and economic terrorists. They belong in another age. Or, preferably, incinerated in a nuclear explosion.
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

User avatar
Mysturji
Clint Eastwood
Posts: 5005
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:08 pm
About me: Downloading an app to my necktop
Location: http://tinyurl.com/c9o35ny
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by Mysturji » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:07 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:You should, because I am right. The Republicans are no better than social and economic terrorists. They belong in another age. Or, preferably, incinerated in a nuclear explosion.
That's overkill IMHO: Think of the collateral damage.
C4 would do just fine.
Or Semtex. Whatever. I'm easy.
Sir Figg Newton wrote:If I have seen further than others, it is only because I am surrounded by midgets.
Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
IDMD2
I am a twit.

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60969
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:08 pm

nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people...
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

Coito ergo sum
Posts: 32040
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 pm
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:12 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:You should, because I am right. The Republicans are no better than social and economic terrorists. They belong in another age. Or, preferably, incinerated in a nuclear explosion.
Generally, if you find yourself buying into hyperbole, you ought to reexamine your belief or understanding. You should also consider that you may know less about American politics than you think you do.

"Social and economic terrorists." LOL :fp:

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60969
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:32 pm

you need to do some research outside of fox news. Seriously.
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

Coito ergo sum
Posts: 32040
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 pm
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:39 pm

You need to stop accepting hyperbole at face value.

I don't watch foxnews, either.

Also, what about the article cited in the OP did you disagree with, and why? Or, didn't you bother to read it (my suspicion is, that this is most likely -- as you likely only allow yourself to read left wing sources and commentary like "Alternet" "DailyKos" and such...).

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60969
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:45 pm

I didn't read it as I was assuming your title was supported by the article. I agree that Bill Clinton would be a better choice than either the republicans or Obama, but the US needs a shitload more than that.

Seriously, if you find yourself defending the republicans, then you really need have your brain checked. Here's a list of concepts that you should ponder on:
homophobic
xenophobic
anti-atheist
global warming denialism
corporate cronyism
environmental destruction
imperialism
extra-judicial
government spending
tariffs/protectionism
american exceptionalism
trickle-down
fillibusters
and a heap more things I couldn't be arsed listing. Seriously, get a clue.
Last edited by pErvinalia on Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

User avatar
colubridae
Custom Rank: Rank
Posts: 2771
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:16 pm
About me: http://www.essentialart.com/acatalog/Ed ... Stars.html
Location: Birmingham art gallery
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by colubridae » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:50 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:I didn't read it as I was assuming your title was supported by the article. I agree that Bill Clinton would be a better choice than either the republicans or Obama, but the US needs a shitload more than that.

Seriously, if you find yourself defending the republicans, then you really need have your brain checked. Here's a list of concepts that you should ponder on:
homophobic
xenophobic
anti-atheist
global warming denialism
corporate cronyism
environmental destruction
imperialism
extra-judicial
government spending
tariffs/protectionism
american exceptionalism
and a heap more things I couldn't be arsed listing. Seriously, get a fucking clue.

Now why did I get banned from ratskep? :ask:
I can't understand it. :fp:

Mods are more lenient with nice people, than they are with nasty people. Fact.
I have a well balanced personality. I've got chips on both shoulders

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60969
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:51 pm

I edited out some of the nastiness (and added some more concepts). ;)

ETA: I should also point out that I and others have been there and done this a thousand times before with CES. We've drowned him in stats and figures and he just never concedes.
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60969
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:56 pm

This pretty much says it all:

Image
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60969
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:58 pm

colubridae wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:I didn't read it as I was assuming your title was supported by the article. I agree that Bill Clinton would be a better choice than either the republicans or Obama, but the US needs a shitload more than that.

Seriously, if you find yourself defending the republicans, then you really need have your brain checked. Here's a list of concepts that you should ponder on:
homophobic
xenophobic
anti-atheist
global warming denialism
corporate cronyism
environmental destruction
imperialism
extra-judicial
government spending
tariffs/protectionism
american exceptionalism
and a heap more things I couldn't be arsed listing. Seriously, get a fucking clue.

Now why did I get banned from ratskep? :ask:
I can't understand it. :fp:

Mods are more lenient with nice people, than they are with nasty people. Fact.
And actually, I can't let this pass. This isn't fact. Go and read Hackenslash's posts on ratskep and then revisit that "fact".
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

Coito ergo sum
Posts: 32040
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 pm
Contact:

Re: What the US needs is Bill Clinton.

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:05 pm

Democrats are more in favor of tariffs and protectionism than the Republicans. Republicans are for free trade arrangements.

Government spending? That's the Democrat's baileywick -- "tax and spend" Democrats. They are in favor of more government programs and more government spending, in all areas except national defense. It's the Republicans who have been asking for spending cuts the last 4 years, and the Democrats have even opposed a reduced increase in spending -- just a reduced increase.

Imperialism -- joke and a fucking half. What "imperialism?" The Afghanistan and war on terrorism, which 99% of Democrats supported too? Imperialism, my ass. Why don't you list the new additions to the American empire? LOL I'll wait.

Corporate cronyism? You really don't see the Democrats as fostering corporate cronyism? Really? You think the GOP is all about cronyism, but the Democrats are all about fairness and idealism? You can't be that naive... maybe you can, you tell me.... http://freebeacon.com/democratic-national-cronyism/ -- the Republicans tend to be in favor of free market capitalism, and the Democrats have favored crony capitalism, which is why they favor all sorts of subsidies for un-green energies like corn ethanol, and then all sorts of debacles like Solyndra and the green energy toilet. That's crony capitalism, moron. Like, when government raises barriers to entry into industries through high taxes, fees and onerous regulation - crony capitalism. Like when government bails out private companies -- crony capitalism. Like when government uses stimulus money to fund preferred industries and companies (a la Solyndra, etc.) - that's crony capitalism.

Free market capitalism is not crony capitalism.

I'm in favor of gay marriage, but just because one is against gay marriage doesn't make one a homophobe. Like, when Obama was, until a few months ago, against gay marriage, and how 80% of African Americans are against gay marriage -- those Democrats are "homophobic" in your book? Or, is it that you're so stupid you think that Republicans are homophobic when they are against gay marriage, but Democrats who oppose gay marriage are not?

And, you'll have to explain what you mean by the xenophobia. The US has consistently had among the most open immigration policies in the world, with the least barriers to entry, admitting the most legal aliens, make more people permanent residents and citizens than any other country in the world, in absolute and per capita terms -- and that has been the case under Republican Presidents and Republican Congresses. If being against "illegal" immigration is "xenophobic" then you'll have to say that to my immigrant wife's face -- she became a citizen a few years ago legally, and is far more anti-illegal immigration than any Republican I know, and you'll have to say that to my immigrant parents' faces who likewise are nauseated by the Democrat pro-illegal alien position. Call them xenophobic why don't you? All of them will vote Republican this year too...

You, in sum, don't know what you're talking about.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 25 guests