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Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by Robert_S » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:31 am

Such is the duality of the southern thing...

I like this song a lot. It's just a little informative and thought provoking.
Actually it's the intro for the song "Wallace" on the album "Southern Rock Opera" which I cannot find a good Youtube of. If you like southern rock at all, I highly recommend checking out more Drive-By Truckers. The songwriting is most definitely a cut above.



I grew up in north Alabama back in the 1970s when dinosaurs still roamed the earth. I'm speaking, of course, of the three great Alabama icons: George Wallace, Bear Bryant, and Ronnie Van Zant. Now, Ronnie Van Zant wasn't from Alabama, he was from Florida, he was a huge Neil Young fan but in the tradition of Merle Haggard writing Okie From Muskogee to tell his dad's point of view on the hippies in Vietnam, Ronnie felt that the other side of the story should be told. Neil Young always claimed that Sweet Home Alabama was one of his favorite songs and legend has it that he was an honorary pallbearer at Ronnie's funeral, such as the duality of the southern thing.

...and Bear Bryant wore a cool lookin' red checkered hat and won football games, and there's few things more loved in Alabama than football and the men who know how to win at it. So when the Bear would come to town, there would be a parade. Me, I was one of them p_ssy boys cuz i hated football, so i got a guitar but a guitar was a poor substitute for a football with the girls in my high school. So my band hit the road, and we didn't play no Skynyrd, neither. I came of age rebelling against the music in my high school parking lot. It wasn't until years later after leaving the South for a while that I came to appreciate and understand the whole Skynyrd thing and its misunderstood glory. I left the south and learned how different people's perceptions of the Southern Thing was from what I had seen in my life, which leads us to George Wallace...

...now Wallace was, for all practical purposes, the governor of Alabama from 1962 until 1986. Once when a law prevented him from succeeding himself, he ran his wife Lurleen in his place and she won by a landslide. He's most famous as the beligerant racist voice of the segregationist South, standing in the doorways of schools and waging a war against the federal government that he decried as
hypocritical. Now Wallace started out as a lawyer and a judge with a very progressive and humanitarian track record for a man of his time, but he lost his first bid for governor in
1958 by hedging on the race issue against a man who spoke out against intergration. Wallace ran again in '62 as a staunch segregationist and won big and for the next decade he spoke out loudly. He accused Kennedy and King of being communist and he was constantly on national news representing "the good people" of Alabama.

...and ya know race was only an issue on tv in the house that i grew up in. Wallace was viewed as a man from another time and place, but when i first ventured out of the south I was shocked at how strongly Wallace was associated with Alabama and its people. Racism is a worldwide problem, and it's been like that since the beginning of recorded history and it ain't just white and black, but thanks to George Wallace, it's always a little more conveinent to play it with a Southern accent.

Bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd attempted to show another side of the south, one that certainly exists, but few saw beyond the rebel flag and this applies not only to their critics and detractors but also their fans and followers. So for a while, when Neil Young would come to town, he'd get death threats down in Alabama. Ironically, in 1971, after a particularly racially charged campaign, Wallace began backpeddling and he opened up Alabama politics to minorities at a rate faster than most northern states or the federal government. Wallace spent the rest of his life trying to explain away his racist past and in 1982 he won his last term in office with over 90% of the black vote, such as the duality of the southern thing.

...and George Wallace died back in '98 and he's in hell now, not because he's a racist. His track record as a judge and his late life quest for redemption make a good argument for his being, at worst, no worse than most white men of his generation, North or South. Because of his blind ambition
and his hunger for votes, he turned a blind eye to the suffering of black America and he became a pawn in the fight against Civil Rights cause.

...fortunately for him, the devil is also a southerner.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by FBM » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:30 am

Yeah, I see/hear what you mean, Rob. Cool song and lyrics. :tup:
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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by Robert_S » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:45 am

Thanks for taking the time to check it out!

Recent events have made me appreciate the "other side of the story should be told" theme that runs through it.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Tyrannical » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:50 am

George Wallace turned out to be right about segregation, and the evidence is in the ruins of every major Black area.
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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by Robert_S » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:58 am

Tyrannical wrote:George Wallace turned out to be right about segregation, and the evidence is in the ruins of every major Black area.
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What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by FBM » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:02 am

Robert_S wrote:Thanks for taking the time to check it out!

Recent events have made me appreciate the "other side of the story should be told" theme that runs through it.
My pleasure. Thanks for sharing it. And, yeah. On a deeper level, it reminds me of the idea that one should be careful about declaring something is right or wrong, good or bad at all times for all people. You never know what the next decade will bring.
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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by Robert_S » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:11 am

FBM wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Thanks for taking the time to check it out!

Recent events have made me appreciate the "other side of the story should be told" theme that runs through it.
My pleasure. Thanks for sharing it. And, yeah. On a deeper level, it reminds me of the idea that one should be careful about declaring something is right or wrong, good or bad at all times for all people. You never know what the next decade will bring.
True Dat.

I find it funny and kinda sad that the two most well known songs Merl Haggard had were not really about him. Okie from Muskogee was from his father's point of view and "Fightin' Side of Me" was from the point of view of the record company. The real Merl was much more thoughtful... and a bit of a juvenile delinquent.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by Robert_S » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:15 pm

So here's another song off the same album:

Drive-By Truckers wrote: Ronnie and Neil
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Church blew up in Birmingham
Four little black girls killed for no goddamn good reason
All this hate and violence can't come to no good end
A stain on the good name.
A whole lot of good people dragged threw the blood and glass
Blood stains on their good names and all of us take the blame

Meanwhile in North Alabama, Wilson Pickett comes to town
To record that sweet soul music, to get that Muscle Shoals sound

Meanwhile in North Alabama, Aretha Franklin comes to town
To record that sweet soul music, to get that Muscle Shoals sound

And out in California, a rock star from Canada writes a couple of great songs about the
Bad shit that went down
"Southern Man" and "Alabama" certainly told some truth
But there were a lot of good folks down here and Neil Young wasn't around

Meanwhile in North Alabama, Lynyrd Skynyrd came to town
To record with Jimmy Johnson at Muscle Shoals Sound
And they met some real good people, not racist pieces of shit
And they wrote a song about it and that song became a hit

Ronnie and Neil Ronnie and Neil
Rock stars today ain't half as real
Speaking there minds on how they feel
Let them guitars blast for Ronnie and Neil

Now Ronnie and Neil became good friends their feud was just in song
Skynyrd was a bunch of Neil Young fans and Neil he loved that song
So He wrote "Powderfinger" for Skynyrd to record
But Ronnie ended up singing "Sweet Home Alabama" to the lord

And Neil helped carry Ronnie in his casket to the ground
And to my way of thinking, us southern men need both of them around

Ronnie and Neil Ronnie and Neil Rock stars today ain't half as real
Speaking their minds on how they feel
Let them guitars blast for Ronnie and Neil
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by Randydeluxe » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:30 pm

Just listened to the song in the OP for the first time.

It needs a genre name. Like... redneck rap... or something.

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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by rasetsu » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:22 am




Is "dull" a genre?

I was a big Wallace supporter in '72 as I thought he was our best chance to get us out of Vietnam. (I was very young, but because of my much older brother, I had already known people who had gone to Nam and not come back. And as a child, I'd had several friends die at an early age, so I was already familiar with death.) I cried buckets the night he got shot. I eventually recovered though, and went on to support Nixon in his bid for re-election, based on the same reasons, my belief that he would bring an end to our involvement in Vietnam (and he did, after a fashion).



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Re: Song: The Three Great Alabam Icons

Post by rasetsu » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:13 am



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