Those who have come from Pz's blog, aka THAT thread

[Audley Strange]

He wants to nationalise RAPE! He wants YOU to pay your taxes so he can get his jollies watching people being raped. What a sick fuck, someone should investigate him in case he has a kiddie cellar or something.

By god, is there no end to this psychopaths depravity!!!

Sucks when people act like irrational alarmist shits about stupid comments doesn't it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Guess who made a rape joke?

https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/228171069146685440

It wasn't a joke, he was equating rape with executions (or murder if you so choose). He's making a parallel. Whether it's a good parallel or not is up to you.

So, he was being serious?

Be careful, according to some, what you are doing, explaining, can be seen as apologizing for rape. Seriously - doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, if someone other than PZ made that comment, you would be a rape apologist.

ETA - I'm not saying that is what you are doing, or what you are. But people here (and elsewhere) have been called that for doing what you just did.

Um, there's a fuck to be given about what other people think, but it's not mine.

[hadespussercats]

Sorry-- just wanted to comment on something from earlier in the thread--

But I'm wondering why people like mozg aren't more numerous. And I suspect it's a subtle question of identity politics.

Among female engineers - and I know many - to a woman, they have all said things that are in agreement with some or all of what mozg states. Generally, it's those that aren't in the field, I've found, that are sure that women are being kept down by sexist males who don't want women working with them....

I don't really have a super strong 'gender identity'. I am what I am, but I'm not highly invested in it or anything. I've never felt the need to be thought of as 'appropriately feminine' or whatever. I mean I never really concerned myself with how a girl 'should' behave or think or speak, and can't remember it ever having mattered to me whether other people thought that I was a normal girl.

I haven't really noticed the same thing with the other women at work, who are all far more 'girly' than I am, though.

My profound thoughts are being made of mockery of. I thought I had the answer for all gender-related problems there.

Oh I think there's a lot of good that come from embracing the sameness on a regular basis.

I like to embrace the sameness!

Here's my question, as someone who dabbles in many ways on the spectrum between, for lack of better terms, butch and girly:
We have these terms, also manly, womanly, femme, boyish, etc., etc. We all have a sense of what they mean. Why? Where is that meaning coming from? Can we change those meanings? Ditch them all together? Do we want to?

I like fixing things around the house. I like using industrial-grade woodworking tools. I enjoy chemistry and physics and biology (as a layperson.) I like pink. I like workboots. So? Does any of that actually relate to my gender or my sex? Or my position near the middle of Kinsey's scale?

Do you know what I mean?

As an aside, when Blind Groper referred to embracing girly pursuits like dressmaking if that's your interest, I felt trivialized. Even though I introduced the term myself. What's so bad about girly? And what's so bad about pink?

[SteveB]

Guess who made a rape joke?

https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/228171069146685440

It wasn't a joke, he was equating rape with executions (or murder if you so choose). He's making a parallel. Whether it's a good parallel or not is up to you.

He's using the absurdity (as he sees it) of execution as a criminal punishment and applying it to rape. How is that not a joke? Just picture a "state-represented raper for justice", if you don't see the humour in that...

Didn't someone here make an absurd rape joke around these parts?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Guess who made a rape joke?

https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/228171069146685440

It wasn't a joke, he was equating rape with executions (or murder if you so choose). He's making a parallel. Whether it's a good parallel or not is up to you.

He's using the absurdity (as he sees it) of execution as a criminal punishment and applying it to rape. How is that not a joke? Just picture a "state-represented raper for justice", if you don't see the humour in that...

Didn't someone around here make an absurd rape joke around these parts?

He doesn't consider it a joke, just an argument taken to absurdity.

[SteveB]

Guess who made a rape joke?

https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/228171069146685440

It wasn't a joke, he was equating rape with executions (or murder if you so choose). He's making a parallel. Whether it's a good parallel or not is up to you.

He's using the absurdity (as he sees it) of execution as a criminal punishment and applying it to rape. How is that not a joke? Just picture a "state-represented raper for justice", if you don't see the humour in that...

Didn't someone around here make an absurd rape joke around these parts?

He doesn't consider it a joke, just an argument taken to absurdity.

Comedy entails absurdity.

[Blind groper]

As an aside, when Blind Groper referred to embracing girly pursuits like dressmaking if that's your interest, I felt trivialized. Even though I introduced the term myself. What's so bad about girly? And what's so bad about pink?

Sorry. That was not my intent. I was simply trying to say that you, and all women, should have the right to choose to be what they want to be. If the choice is 'butch' or 'girly', I was not making any value judgement between the two.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What he's saying is that a State that condones murder (or executions if you will) has passed over the moral threshold into the area where rape can be used as a punishment, and an office of State Rapist would be created.

[charlou]

Didn't someone here make an absurd rape joke around these parts?

A rape as a corrective measure joke? Yes, I do recall reading something along those lines ...

[Svartalf]

Effin' Merkins, do they ever read their own constitutin and the amendments thereto?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Didn't someone here make an absurd rape joke around these parts?

A rape as a corrective measure joke? Yes, I do recall reading something along those lines ...

If the Texas Department of Corrections can kill people, why can't they rape them?

[Kristie]

Didn't someone here make an absurd rape joke around these parts?

A rape as a corrective measure joke? Yes, I do recall reading something along those lines ...

If the Texas Department of Corrections can kill people, why can't they rape them?

I like how he sees rape and murder as on the same level, until Pappa joked about rape. Then its ok to joke about murder but not rape because rape is sooooo much worse.

[Svartalf]

Well, it sure ain't rape if the victim gets murthered first

[laklak]

Goodness, we've right pissed old Exi off. He's holding forth at PZ's place.

I know where it comes from – anger. Rationalia is a site where real people are abusers and real people are abused. Though I would be against the concept in practice, it somehow feels unjust that there isn’t some grand regulating body like the Independent Broadcasting Authority that will come in and take them down. Thank freedom there is no regulator – except in the case of a collectively-owned site like Rationalia, there is a regulator! It is Rationalia members themselves! But what do they do? They just carry on repeating the abuse, trivialising the protests, ducking and diving and ultimately supporting both the authoritarianism that sexual abuse is solely intended to back up. They’re responsible, every single one of them is equally, personally as responsible as Pappa.

And they know they are – they should damn well stop pretending they are the best thing since sliced bread and reform their stupid website from top to bottom in such a way that allows the protestors as well as the abusers their right of free speech.

Rationalia is not a free and open environment. They have disciplined internal protest and reform in the past. They even took disciplinary action against me for implementing a staff review – something that was 2 years overdue. I knew then that a staff team that had no mechanisms of accountability would become abusive. My conscience is clear. What about the rest of them? They just carry on in their same old way without a single shred of remorse – especially Pappa, the fool – merrily bantering on and now adding to his sexual abusiveness by inviting different methods of personal abusiveness instead.

Some apology that turned out to be! And none of Rationalia have any conscience about it. They haven’t even begun to look at the issue.

Fucking LOL.

[hadespussercats]

As an aside, when Blind Groper referred to embracing girly pursuits like dressmaking if that's your interest, I felt trivialized. Even though I introduced the term myself. What's so bad about girly? And what's so bad about pink?

Sorry. That was not my intent. I was simply trying to say that you, and all women, should have the right to choose to be what they want to be. If the choice is 'butch' or 'girly', I was not making any value judgement between the two.

Oh, I know that! I was poking fun at myself. But also realizing that generally, socially, "girly" is considered trivial. I'm taking it back!