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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:32 pm

maiforpeace wrote:N.R.A. PROPOSES SWEEPING BAN ON MOVIES
By Andy Borowitz

FAIRFAX, Va. (The Borowitz Report)—Saying it was “high time to take action against the number one cause of violence in America,” the National Rifle Association issued a statement today urging a sweeping ban on movies.

Tracy Klugian, an official spokesperson for the gun-lobbying organization, said that the N.R.A. had taken this extraordinary step because it “could not stand idly by and watch movies tear apart the fabric of our civil society.”

To that end, Mr. Klugian said, the N.R.A. would use money from its PAC, the N.R.A. Political Victory Fund, to support politicians who favored a ban on filmed entertainment.

In the hours after the N.R.A.’s announcement, politicians on both sides of the aisle were quick to applaud the group for identifying what it called “a long overdue need for movie control.”

“It is time for us to stop the madness,” said Speaker of the House John Boehner. “As a first step, I am proposing legislation that would impose a two-year waiting period and background check before one is allowed to see a Hollywood release.”

Minutes later, the White House said that the Speaker’s proposal was “a good first step, but does not go far enough,” arguing that Congress had to “take a hard look at whether superhero costumes and masks should continue to be legal.”

All in all, the N.R.A.’s Klugian said he was “cautiously optimistic” that the organization’s call for new legislation would be heeded “because our message finally seems to be getting through: Guns don’t kill people. Movies kill people."

The funny thing is, while this appears to be stated ironically (and it's in poor taste, in my view), there were folks out there raising the question of whether Batman was to blame for this and the usual hue and cry about "violence in movies." http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/20/dont-b ... -shooting/ (the articles says "don't blame batman" but it is discussing the fact that some folks are suggesting such blame is due).

I had a conversation with a friend who referred to how movies and t.v. and video games "desensitize" us to violence, implying that such desensitization would cause more violence. I responded by suggesting that if that was the case, given that 4 decades ago we had 3 to 5 t.v. channels, movies were watched less frequently and were less violent, and there were no violent video games, and people watched 1/4 of the hours of t.v......wouldn't violence be overall higher now? And, since it isn't -- how can one even correlate such media to violence?

And, since most movies and music are about love, wouldn't we all just love each other a lot more?

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:34 pm

People evidently don't have a choice in the movies they watch.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:39 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Brings some tears to my eyes.... http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1119395
Yeah, but did they get lucky later?
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Post by Twoflower » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:43 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:Brings some tears to my eyes.... http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1119395
Yeah, but did they get lucky later?
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:44 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Brings some tears to my eyes.... http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1119395
Yeah, but did they get lucky later?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:47 pm

So, no?
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Post by maiforpeace » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:48 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Brings some tears to my eyes.... http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1119395
That is sad. Me too CES. :flowers: :hugs:
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Post by Wumbologist » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:08 pm

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So you don't know anything about guns, and you base your opinions entirely on what journalists (who also don't know much of anything about guns) tell you about them. Then, you want those of us who actually do have knowledge and practical experience with them to defer to you regarding what should and shouldn't be allowed?

That makes no sense. It's like having a blind person pick font faces for a magazine layout.
This guy's rifle was not an automatic rifle. It was a garden vareity semi-automatic that requires a trigger pull for each round to be fired. And I think banning them would do just as well as the drugs being illegal does at preventing people from getting those.
You admitted you don't know anything about guns, and now you want to tell everyone else what's reasonable? Nobody has any obligation to justify 'need' to you. If i want an AR-15, the only things that matter are whether or not I pass the background check and if I've got the money to pay for it.
Hey mozg - cool your jets a bit. Mai seems to be making a genuine effort to understand the pro-gun side of the argument here, so why not embrace that and explain it to someone who is admittedly not well-versed in the mechanics and operation of firearms? I've brought many a first time shooter to the range with me, and I've found that every one of them has found guns less and less scary the more they actually understand them. I don't take mai's posts as quoted by you as an attack on gun ownership, but rather as a genuine attempt to understand something that she had clearly stated she doesn't. Embrace that shit, work with it, it's good stuff.

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Re: Religious gun nut kills Batman moviegoers

Post by maiforpeace » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:19 pm

I don't think mozg likes me. :(

Thanks for the vote of support Wumby. Frankly I didn't see that post of mozg's until you pointed it out. ;) :hehe:

Not that I'm purposely ignoring you mozg. :)
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Post by Rum » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:26 pm

Wumbologist wrote:
mozg wrote:
So you don't know anything about guns, and you base your opinions entirely on what journalists (who also don't know much of anything about guns) tell you about them. Then, you want those of us who actually do have knowledge and practical experience with them to defer to you regarding what should and shouldn't be allowed?

That makes no sense. It's like having a blind person pick font faces for a magazine layout.
This guy's rifle was not an automatic rifle. It was a garden vareity semi-automatic that requires a trigger pull for each round to be fired. And I think banning them would do just as well as the drugs being illegal does at preventing people from getting those.
You admitted you don't know anything about guns, and now you want to tell everyone else what's reasonable? Nobody has any obligation to justify 'need' to you. If i want an AR-15, the only things that matter are whether or not I pass the background check and if I've got the money to pay for it.
Hey mozg - cool your jets a bit. Mai seems to be making a genuine effort to understand the pro-gun side of the argument here, so why not embrace that and explain it to someone who is admittedly not well-versed in the mechanics and operation of firearms? I've brought many a first time shooter to the range with me, and I've found that every one of them has found guns less and less scary the more they actually understand them. I don't take mai's posts as quoted by you as an attack on gun ownership, but rather as a genuine attempt to understand something that she had clearly stated she doesn't. Embrace that shit, work with it, it's good stuff.
I don't know much about hydrogen bombs, but I hate them and I am entitled to say so, just as Mai is.

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Re: Religious gun nut kills Batman moviegoers

Post by maiforpeace » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:33 pm

On the subject of familiarizing yourself with guns. I do have an honest fear of them. My biggest fear is the potential for accidents, and it's well founded.

I do have some history with guns.

I dated an underwater ballistic expert who was a huge gun nut and we went out the the shooting range at least ten or fifteen times since there was one very close to where I lived. He offered me a small handgun as a gift at the time that I refused.

Years later when Iived in Santa Barbara, my house almost got broken into by someone who had been watching me sleep while jacking off. My boss gave me his gun, and I slept with it under my pillow for several weeks.

Ten years ago, I learned how to use the hubby's glock, and since then I go out with him once in a while to the shooting range when he takes his gun for it's yearly testing to make sure it's in good working order. (he's a responsible gun owner)

So I'm not an inexperienced idiot when it comes to guns either.
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Post by Wumbologist » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:35 pm

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I don't know much about hydrogen bombs, but I hate them and I am entitled to say so, just as Mai is.
Good for you, but seeing as this isn't The Pub, try to stay on topic. Not that I think you have much to contribute to the topic at hand, I fear your position might be one that is entrenched enough as to be immune to rational discussion.

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Post by Wumbologist » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:40 pm

maiforpeace wrote:On the subject of familiarizing yourself with guns. I do have an honest fear of them. My biggest fear is the potential for accidents, and it's well founded.
Being concerned for the potential for accidents is certainly a well-founded fear, but not at all limited to guns. Many, many things in the modern world carry the potential for very dangerous accidents, be it automobiles, power tools, amusement park rides, etc. The best defense against these kinds of accidents is knowledge. Understanding how a firearm works, and indeed the potential danger in mishandling one, goes a long way towards reducing the risk involved there. Incidentally, that is one of the few things that I'll give the NRA credit for, their firearms safety efforts have likely contributed to the significant reduction in firearms-related accidents in the last few decades.

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Re: Religious gun nut kills Batman moviegoers

Post by maiforpeace » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:41 pm

I definitely don't believe the subject of gun control is a black and white one. It's very gray. (for us in the US) As Wumby says, there's room for open discussion and I don't want to be any more entrenched in my position than this one:

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Which is scary to me, especially since the ones freaking out are the ones holding the guns. :nervous:
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