Political posterizing.

Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:14 pm

Svartalf wrote:How is Reagan credible and bush the elder not?
I mean, GHB is a dozen time the statesman reagan or his son were.

You had to be there.

Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:14 pm

And I said "credible", not "statesman".

Post by **Svartalf** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:25 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Svartalf wrote:How is Reagan credible and bush the elder not?
I mean, GHB is a dozen time the statesman reagan or his son were.
You had to be there.

I spent 15 days in the US under GHB's presidency, and several months under Reagan, not to mention how reagan's hollywood style of gung ho politics affected production in my favorite hobby in the mid/late 80s... but I am happy I wasn't actually living there. Beside the fact the guy HAD managed to get elected as governor in California, and to top that with a two term presidency, I'd brand him a complete buffoon who was lucky not to completely bankrupt the country (or maybe he did and nobody noticed, because some of his works flowered only 20 years after he left Penn Avenue).

Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:26 pm

But that has nothing to do with credibility. People believed him when he spoke.

Post by **Svartalf** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:31 pm

Then the word you're looking for is not credible, it's charismatic... Those people followed him like they'd follow a good preacher, not like responsible citizens decide to back a statesman who's dealing with the country's issues.

Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:37 pm

Svartalf wrote:Then the word you're looking for is not credible, it's charismatic... Those people followed him like they'd follow a good preacher, not like responsible citizens decide to back a statesman who's dealing with the country's issues.

I used the word I meant to use.

Post by **maiforpeace** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:21 pm

I thought we were supposed to keep conversation to a minimum here?

Post by **tattuchu** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:08 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Then the word you're looking for is not credible, it's charismatic... Those people followed him like they'd follow a good preacher, not like responsible citizens decide to back a statesman who's dealing with the country's issues.
I used the word I meant to use.

Well, there you go again...

Post by **Warren Dew** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:13 pm

Svartalf wrote:How is Reagan credible and bush the elder not?

"Read my lips: no new taxes."

Bush the elder was a very nice guy and projected a statesmanlike persona, but he was just plain not that smart, and as a result made plenty of major mistakes.

Post by **Blind groper** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:45 pm

Reagan was an actor. Of course he was credible. Credibility depends on slinging the bullshit, and who does that better than a trained actor?

Post by **Rum** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:55 pm

Blind groper wrote:Reagan was an actor. Of course he was credible. Credibility depends on slinging the bullshit, and who does that better than a trained actor?

A dreadful man. But his administration ended the Cold War (in essence) and for that I will always be grateful despite his stupid dreadfulness.

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