Religious gun nut kills Batman moviegoers

[kiki5711]

I didn't read anywhere that he was religious????

[maiforpeace]

I'd like to see the theater chain sued for negligence. They had rules which prevented lawful concealed weapons holders from bring their weapon into the theater. This action potentially cost many people their lives, and the company should be held accountable for it.

I'm not surprised you would say something that ridiculous being pro gun and/or because you clearly aren't up on the news about this.

How do you propose theatres enforce these rules if someone kicks in a door and comes in the back way? He didn't come in the front door.

[maiforpeace]

I didn't read anywhere that he was religious????

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I wouldn't necessarily say that qualifies him as a religious nut. I think he was just a nut, period.

[Atheist-Lite]

This was the safest part of 'Merica....then maybe some kind of South America gated community is the best future for Americans with the money, means and 'sense' to stay on.

[Rum]

Bought 4 guns and several thousand rounds without anyone noticing.

24 years old.

What a damn waste.

[mistermack]

It's a bit of a failure of security. One man on that door would've put an end to it.

You don't think, by any chance, that he would have found some other method? A man on every fire-exit in the US is your solution?
It wouldn't stop me.

And how would he prop the door open if someone was watching the door?

You really think they would put a man on every fire door in the US? Because you have no way of knowing where or when a mass killer will strike.

If every door WAS covered, I would look for another way, if I was planning mass murder.
I would get a job at the cinema, standing by the door. How's that?

There's a million other ways to commit mass murder. You will never stop them, while the guns and ammunition are so freely available. If you really don't understand that, you need to think about it a bit more practically.

[mistermack]

It's not long ago that some Christian fundie got killed playing with rattlesnakes.

The reaction was much amusement on this forum.
This is basically the same thing. If you worship the ownership of guns, and choose violence and slaughter for your entertainment, then loonies are going to go on a killing spree on regular occasions.

It's not basically the same. The gun equivalent of those snake people would be if some guy was acting cocky with his gun, twirling it around in his fingers and stuff, and it went off and put a hole in his skull.
If one of those rattlesnake loons one day picked up a bunch of snakes and started going on a spree deliberately throwing them at people with intent to kill that would be the same.

I think it is basically the same. Not for individuals, but as a country. You maintain a policy on guns that everybody knows will lead to massacres. And then when they happen, there is dismay and amazement.

That's what's the same. It's obvious what's going to happen, and then everyone is amazed when it does. As a nation, the Americans are just as dumb as the dead fundie.

You don't get ANY politician saying, "ok, a dozen people die now and then, but it's worth it so we can have our guns". Which is what they REALLY think.

What's wrong with having a gun to protect yourself? If someone breaks into my place all I can do is grab a hurley stick and hope when I get downstairs the person down there doesn't have a gun. Ok, it's fairly unlikely he would. It would probably just be some skinny, weak junkie I could easily drive off or take down if I had to but physical confrontation always comes with risk, worst case scenario I could get infected blood on myself, I'd rather be able to keep my distance and tell the prick to leave the premises.

Why the fuck are you so paranoid? I have a 94 year old aunt living outside Ennis on her own. No hurley sticks or guns, and she takes ages to get out of her chair.
You really are inhabiting some fantasy world, if you're that scared.

[Robert_S]

Isn't it just as possible to use cleaning products to make a chemical weapon capable of killing a lot of people in a theater?

Disregard for human life seems like the bigger part of the problem.

[Atheist-Lite]

Isn't it just as possible to use cleaning products to make a chemical weapon capable of killing a lot of people in a theater?

Disregard for human life seems like the bigger part of the problem.

That's the American way these days isn't it?

[Fastin]

It's a bit of a failure of security. One man on that door would've put an end to it.

You don't think, by any chance, that he would have found some other method? A man on every fire-exit in the US is your solution?
It wouldn't stop me.

You do not need someone at every door. The vast majority of emergency exits at retail stores etc. sound a very loud audible alarm when opened. All theaters should have the exact same system in place. It is honestly quite surprising that theaters do not already have this in place.

[Animavore]

It's not basically the same. The gun equivalent of those snake people would be if some guy was acting cocky with his gun, twirling it around in his fingers and stuff, and it went off and put a hole in his skull.
If one of those rattlesnake loons one day picked up a bunch of snakes and started going on a spree deliberately throwing them at people with intent to kill that would be the same.

I think it is basically the same. Not for individuals, but as a country. You maintain a policy on guns that everybody knows will lead to massacres. And then when they happen, there is dismay and amazement.

That's what's the same. It's obvious what's going to happen, and then everyone is amazed when it does. As a nation, the Americans are just as dumb as the dead fundie.

You don't get ANY politician saying, "ok, a dozen people die now and then, but it's worth it so we can have our guns". Which is what they REALLY think.

What's wrong with having a gun to protect yourself? If someone breaks into my place all I can do is grab a hurley stick and hope when I get downstairs the person down there doesn't have a gun. Ok, it's fairly unlikely he would. It would probably just be some skinny, weak junkie I could easily drive off or take down if I had to but physical confrontation always comes with risk, worst case scenario I could get infected blood on myself, I'd rather be able to keep my distance and tell the prick to leave the premises.

Why the fuck are you so paranoid? I have a 94 year old aunt living outside Ennis on her own. No hurley sticks or guns, and she takes ages to get out of her chair.
You really are inhabiting some fantasy world, if you're that scared.

So in other words you have no answer to the rational answer to the question?

Who says I'm paranoid? I don't sleep at night worrying. I don't even think it is something that'll ever happen to me. But then, I don't think I'll ever be in a car crash either. Shows how rational my thinking is on these things. I think I'm pretty much invincible most of the time.

[Animavore]

It's a bit of a failure of security. One man on that door would've put an end to it.

You don't think, by any chance, that he would have found some other method? A man on every fire-exit in the US is your solution?
It wouldn't stop me.

And how would he prop the door open if someone was watching the door?

You really think they would put a man on every fire door in the US? Because you have no way of knowing where or when a mass killer will strike.

If every door WAS covered, I would look for another way, if I was planning mass murder.
I would get a job at the cinema, standing by the door. How's that?

There's a million other ways to commit mass murder. You will never stop them, while the guns and ammunition are so freely available. If you really don't understand that, you need to think about it a bit more practically.

Yes. I know he'll find another way or another place. It doesn't rebut what I said though, that if there had of been a person on the door that night this wouldn't of happened. Does it?

[Elessarina]

Yes and if airport security was as it is now 911 wouldn't have happened.

If Kennedy hadn't been in an open top car he'd be alive

Blah blah.

[Animavore]

It's only by recognising past failures that you can amend things for the future. It's not about playing a game of 'what if?'

[mistermack]

Yes. I know he'll find another way or another place. It doesn't rebut what I said though, that if there had of been a person on the door that night this wouldn't of happened. Does it?

That doesn't rebut MY argument that if HE got the job guarding that door, he could have brought much more stuff in. He could have firebombed the place as well.

So that's your answer to gun massacres? Door security?
I don't know why nobody has thought of it before.