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Post by maiforpeace » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:07 pm

Drewish wrote:Obama will likely win due to the ignorance and blind party loyalty of minority voters. And I don't mean that as a judgement; I mean that as an honesst assesment of the situation.
I'll concede Obama does have a lot of blind party loyalty among African American voters...but I wouldn't characterize it that way for all minorities. For Mexican-Americans, LGBT's and women, there's a little more at stake than just blind loyalty.
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Post by Drewish » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:12 pm

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Drewish wrote:Obama will likely win due to the ignorance and blind party loyalty of minority voters. And I don't mean that as a judgement; I mean that as an honesst assesment of the situation.
I'll concede Obama does have a lot of blind party loyalty among African American voters...but I wouldn't characterize it that way for all minorities. For Mexican-Americans, LGBT's and women, there's a little more at stake than just blind loyalty.
Typically there would be a large number of radical Christians on the right who would blindly follow the Republican nominee. Romney does not really appeal to them though. Whether Obama winning is a good or bad thing, he probably will, and it will sadly be for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by Wumbologist » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:13 pm

Drewish wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:
Drewish wrote:Obama will likely win due to the ignorance and blind party loyalty of minority voters. And I don't mean that as a judgement; I mean that as an honesst assesment of the situation.
I'll concede Obama does have a lot of blind party loyalty among African American voters...but I wouldn't characterize it that way for all minorities. For Mexican-Americans, LGBT's and women, there's a little more at stake than just blind loyalty.
Typically there would be a large number of radical Christians on the right who would blindly follow the Republican nominee. Romney does not really appeal to them though. Whether Obama winning is a good or bad thing, he probably will, and it will sadly be for all the wrong reasons.
Well, Romney clearly has the better hair.

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Post by maiforpeace » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:17 pm

Wumbologist wrote:
Drewish wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:
Drewish wrote:Obama will likely win due to the ignorance and blind party loyalty of minority voters. And I don't mean that as a judgement; I mean that as an honesst assesment of the situation.
I'll concede Obama does have a lot of blind party loyalty among African American voters...but I wouldn't characterize it that way for all minorities. For Mexican-Americans, LGBT's and women, there's a little more at stake than just blind loyalty.
Typically there would be a large number of radical Christians on the right who would blindly follow the Republican nominee. Romney does not really appeal to them though. Whether Obama winning is a good or bad thing, he probably will, and it will sadly be for all the wrong reasons.
Well, Romney clearly has the better hair.
That's only because Obama chops off his fro. He would definitely have better hair with a big fro. :hehe:
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Clinton Huxley wrote:
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Clinton Huxley wrote:After a careful analysis of all the pertinent information and an impartial weighing up of the character, history and proposed policies of Romney, the conclusion I have come to is that the fundamental issue with him is that he is a git.
You mean you won't be welcoming him with open arms next week? :hehe:

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Bella Fortuna wrote:As weak as a British chin...
Not my chin. You could anchor a dreadnought to it.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:30 pm

[img]Strassel: Obama's Enemies List—Part II
First an Obama campaign website called out Romney donor Frank Vandersloot. Next the IRS moved to audit him—and so did the Labor Department.[/img]
This column has already told the story of Frank VanderSloot, an Idaho businessman who last year contributed to a group supporting Mitt Romney. An Obama campaign website in April sent a message to those who'd donate to the president's opponent. It called out Mr. VanderSloot and seven other private donors by name and occupation and slurred them as having "less-than-reputable" records.

Mr. VanderSloot has since been learning what it means to be on a presidential enemies list. Just 12 days after the attack, the Idahoan found an investigator digging to unearth his divorce records. This bloodhound—a recent employee of Senate Democrats—worked for a for-hire opposition research firm.

Now Mr. VanderSloot has been targeted by the federal government. In a letter dated June 21, he was informed that his tax records had been "selected for examination" by the Internal Revenue Service. The audit also encompasses Mr. VanderSloot's wife, and not one, but two years of past filings (2008 and 2009).

Mr. VanderSloot, who is 63 and has been working since his teens, says neither he nor his accountants recall his being subject to a federal tax audit before. He was once required to send documents on a line item inquiry into his charitable donations, which resulted in no changes to his taxes. But nothing more—that is until now, shortly after he wrote a big check to a Romney-supporting Super PAC.

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Post by maiforpeace » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:32 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:[img]Strassel: Obama's Enemies List—Part II
First an Obama campaign website called out Romney donor Frank Vandersloot. Next the IRS moved to audit him—and so did the Labor Department.[/img]
This column has already told the story of Frank VanderSloot, an Idaho businessman who last year contributed to a group supporting Mitt Romney. An Obama campaign website in April sent a message to those who'd donate to the president's opponent. It called out Mr. VanderSloot and seven other private donors by name and occupation and slurred them as having "less-than-reputable" records.

Mr. VanderSloot has since been learning what it means to be on a presidential enemies list. Just 12 days after the attack, the Idahoan found an investigator digging to unearth his divorce records. This bloodhound—a recent employee of Senate Democrats—worked for a for-hire opposition research firm.

Now Mr. VanderSloot has been targeted by the federal government. In a letter dated June 21, he was informed that his tax records had been "selected for examination" by the Internal Revenue Service. The audit also encompasses Mr. VanderSloot's wife, and not one, but two years of past filings (2008 and 2009).

Mr. VanderSloot, who is 63 and has been working since his teens, says neither he nor his accountants recall his being subject to a federal tax audit before. He was once required to send documents on a line item inquiry into his charitable donations, which resulted in no changes to his taxes. But nothing more—that is until now, shortly after he wrote a big check to a Romney-supporting Super PAC.
They made accusations without evidence, then dredged evidence up? Wow, they must be psychic.

For those who would like to read the full article from the Wall Street Journal - which offers a little more to the story than what's just posted above.
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Post by Warren Dew » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:58 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:[img]Strassel: Obama's Enemies List—Part II
First an Obama campaign website called out Romney donor Frank Vandersloot. Next the IRS moved to audit him—and so did the Labor Department.[/img]
This column has already told the story of Frank VanderSloot, an Idaho businessman who last year contributed to a group supporting Mitt Romney. An Obama campaign website in April sent a message to those who'd donate to the president's opponent. It called out Mr. VanderSloot and seven other private donors by name and occupation and slurred them as having "less-than-reputable" records.

Mr. VanderSloot has since been learning what it means to be on a presidential enemies list. Just 12 days after the attack, the Idahoan found an investigator digging to unearth his divorce records. This bloodhound—a recent employee of Senate Democrats—worked for a for-hire opposition research firm.

Now Mr. VanderSloot has been targeted by the federal government. In a letter dated June 21, he was informed that his tax records had been "selected for examination" by the Internal Revenue Service. The audit also encompasses Mr. VanderSloot's wife, and not one, but two years of past filings (2008 and 2009).

Mr. VanderSloot, who is 63 and has been working since his teens, says neither he nor his accountants recall his being subject to a federal tax audit before. He was once required to send documents on a line item inquiry into his charitable donations, which resulted in no changes to his taxes. But nothing more—that is until now, shortly after he wrote a big check to a Romney-supporting Super PAC.
They made accusations without evidence, then dredged evidence up? Wow, they must be psychic.
it doesn't take any evidence to do an audit.

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Post by maiforpeace » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:50 am

From the article:
This column has already told the story of Frank VanderSloot, an Idaho businessman who last year contributed to a group supporting Mitt Romney. An Obama campaign website in April sent a message to those who'd donate to the president's opponent. It called out Mr. VanderSloot and seven other private donors by name and occupation and slurred them as having "less-than-reputable" records.
What Obama campaign site? There's really only one legitimate one. I'd be curious to see this "message to those who'd donate to the president's opponent". I did some searching for it, but nothing came up. Maybe you can help, CES, since you posted the article.
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Post by maiforpeace » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:41 pm

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:43 pm

Gallup Poll shows Romney favorability 2-1 over Obama on handling of the economy: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/s ... 56439758/1

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Post by maiforpeace » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:30 pm

Julie Goodridge: "Governor Romney, tell me, what would you suggest I tell to my eight year old daughter, about why her mommy and her ma can't get married. Because you, the governor of her state, is going to block our marriage."

Romney: "I don't care what you tell your adopted daughter, why don't you tell her what you've been telling her for the last eight years".

BTW - her daughter was not adopted, it was her natural born child.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:08 pm

LOL - yes, if Mitt becomes President, gay marriage will be made illegal!

...wait....it's always been illegal, and only very recently have some small minority of jurisdictions changed the law....

....and Obama has traditionally been against gay marriage too, and until about a month or so ago he and the evil Dark Lord Mitt held substantially the same position on gay marriage....

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