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Post by Svartalf » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:10 pm

Military mentor to NKorean leader dismissed

By HYUNG-JIN KIM, Associated Press

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Seven months ago, he was the guardian figure always at North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's side, a top military official whose experience and position lent the young new ruler credibility with the troops. Now, Vice Marshal Ri Yong Ho is out, dismissed from several powerful posts because of illness, state media said Monday in a brief surprise announcement just days after he last appeared in public.

However, Ri did not appear ill in recent appearances, feeding speculation abroad that Kim purged him in an effort to put his own mark on the nation he inherited when father Kim Jong Il died in December. At the same time, there was no sign of discord at Ri's last public appearance at a high-level event, barely a week ago.
The decision to dismiss the 69-year-old from top military and political posts was made at a Workers' Party meeting Sunday, according to the official Korean Central News Agency. The dispatch did not elaborate on his condition or future.

On Tuesday morning, the official Korean Central News Agency announced that the title of vice marshal had been bestowed on Hyon Yong Chol. No other details were provided about Hyon and his military background. It was not immediately clear if he would receive any of Ri's other titles and powers, including chief of the General Staff of the Korean People's Army.
The appointment was made by the Central Military Commission of the Workers' Party of Korea and the National Defense Commission of North Korea, the agency said.
Daniel Pinkston, a North Korea analyst at the International Crisis Group, was skeptical of the illness claim. He noted that Ri won his major promotions at a September 2010 party conference but received none in April, stirring speculation about his future.

"There's a very high probability that it wasn't health issues, but that he was purged," sending a strong signal to anyone seeking to challenge Kim Jong Un — even if Ri never directly defied the new leader, Pinkston said.

The dismissal comes as Kim makes waves in other ways. State TV showed him appearing at a music concert and visiting a kindergarten recently in the company of a mysterious woman who carried herself much like a first lady. Her identity has not been revealed but her public presence was a notable change from Kim Jong Il's era, when his companions were kept out of state media.

The dismissal of the top army official is a significant move in North Korea. Kim Jong Il elevated the army's role when he became leader after the 1994 death of father Kim Il Sung, the nation's founder.

Kim Jong Un has upheld his father's "songun" military-first policy, but in April he also promoted younger officials with economic backgrounds to key party positions in line with his push to build up the nation's economy.

Where Ri's departure leaves North Korea's million-man army, one of the world's largest, remained unanswered.

The Korean Peninsula has remained locked in a state of war and divided since a truce in 1953 ended three years of fighting. North Korea has threatened in recent months to attack South Korea's president and Seoul's conservative media, angry over perceived insults to its leadership and U.S.-South Korean military drills that Pyongyang says are a prelude to an invasion. A North Korean artillery attack in 2010 killed four South Koreans.

The United States said Monday that without fundamental change in policy direction, personnel changes in North Korea's military leadership would mean little. State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell said North Korea should "take the path available to it" and rejoin the international community by refraining from threats and complying with its international obligations including on denuclearization. He urged the North to feed and educate its people rather than pour "scarce resources into nuclear, missile and other military programs."

Ri was vice marshal and chief of the General Staff of the Korean People's Army. In 2010, he was won top spots on the Central Military Commission of the Workers' Party and the Presidium of the party's influential Political Bureau. That boosted him to the highest political circles — along with Kim Jong Un, Kim's uncle Jang Song Thaek and other trusted members of Kim Jong Il's circle of advisers.

Ri had been at Kim's side since the young man emerged publicly as Kim Jong Il's successor in 2010, often standing between father and son at major events. He was among the small group of men who accompanied Kim Jong Il's hearse through snowy Pyongyang during the funeral procession.

In the months after Kim Jong Un took power, he accompanied the new ruler on his first trips to visit military units in a pointed show of continuity and military support as Kim sought to shore up the backing of the nation's troops.

Ri's departure could mean he lost a power struggle with rising star Choe Ryong Hae, the military's top political officer tasked with supervising the army, said Koh Yu-hwan, a professor at Seoul's Dongguk University.

Choe, originally a Workers' Party official, was handed several top jobs and was named a vice marshal in April. Ri had been anointed as Kim's patron during the young man's rise to power, Koh said. "But after Kim formally took power, Choe has emerged as No. 2."

North Korea's political and military reshuffles are mysterious, with officials sometimes dropping out of sight without explanation. Many top North Korean officials -- such as Vice Marshal Jo Myong Rok, who died of heart disease in 2010 at age 82 --stay in their posts until they die.

The robust, stocky Ri, who had served as chief of the General Staff since 2009, showed no sign of illness when he spoke in late April at a meeting of top officials marking the 80th anniversary of the army's founding. He was shown in photos on July 6 chatting with Pyongyang residents and two days later joined Kim Jong Un at the Kumsusan mausoleum to pay respects to Kim Il Sung.

"Whether because of a physical malady or political sin, Ri Yong Ho is out, and Pyongyang is letting the world know to not expect to hear about him anymore," said John Delury, an assistant professor at Yonsei University's Graduate School of International Studies in South Korea.

It's too early to determine "whether Ri's stepping down is a manifestation of civil-military tensions, or Kim Jong Un's attempt to consolidate control" over the army, he said.
Ri, though a powerful figure, arrived on the national scene during Kim Jong Il's final years, Delury said. "Perhaps he was always meant to be a transitional regent figure, and his function is played."

Associated Press writer Foster Klug in Seoul and Matthew Pennington in Washington contributed to this report.

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The report alludes to that this could be conciliatory moves towards the South Korea but does not suggest that it is so.

The move certainly is not for the sake of the Americans so it matters not whether they are satisfied. It does seem that the intended audience is much closer to North Korea, as close as South Korea or even as the military itself.
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Post by klr » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:44 pm

It's NK ... who really knows at his stage? I prefer the "power struggle" or "just one of those things" options right now.
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Post by FBM » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:38 am

He's probably being ball-sacked as we speak...but, yes, it's a mystery. Like 99% of everything else that goes on up there.
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Post by JimC » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:15 am

Does this earn him a shallow grave?
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Post by FBM » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:29 am

My guess is that he gets to load the next nuclear test bomb with its ^239Pu...sans radiation suit...
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Post by Hermit » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:48 pm

Yes, North Korea is a bit of the pariah among this planet's nations, but has anybody else been struck by the irony that the nation with the most nuclear arms - moreover, the only nation to use them to drop nuclear bombs on entire cities on purpose - is implying that North Korea will stay outside "the international community" unless it complies with its international obligations such as denuclearisation?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:55 pm

What "irony", please?

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:What "irony", please?
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Post by FBM » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:01 pm

The following is from the most conservative S. Korean newspaper:

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 01369.html
N.Korean Military in Crisis

South Korean government officials believe the chief of the North Korean Army's General Staff, Ri Yong-ho was abruptly sacked as part of a purge aimed at consolidating leader Kim Jong-un's grip on power.

A government official here said it seems Jang Song-taek, the uncle and patron of Kim, and Vice Marshal Choe Ryong-hae, the director of the People's Army General Political Bureau, got the nod from Kim to investigate Ri and sacked him after uncovering corruption.

"Ri's dismissal did not happen suddenly but was meticulously planned to gain control of military officers whose power had grown out of hand," says one source familiar with North Korean affairs. "The new military heavyweights will see their influence weaken significantly."

The North Korean military has sometimes been described as a state within a state, whose power grew out of all proportion due to former leader Kim Jong-il's "songun" or military-first doctrine.

The new military heavyweights rose to key positions after February of 2009, when Kim Jong-il appointed Jong-un to succeed him. They include Vice Marshal Ri and Gen. Kim Yong-chol, the head of the General Reconnaissance Bureau, which oversees all espionage operations against South Korea and was responsible for the torpedo attack on the South Korean Navy corvette Cheonan.

What the military will do next is expected to have a considerable impact not only on the North's power structure but also on inter-Korean relations.

It seems the new military heavyweights are now perceived as potential threats to Kim Jong-un's hold on power. A government official here said Kim Jong-un will probably take further steps to gain control of the military, the first indication being the appointment of Vice Marshal Choe, originally a Workers Party official, as director of the army's General Political Bureau, because that effectively hands over control of the vital foreign currency business from the military to the Workers Party.

"We expect significant unrest among North Korean top brass alarmed by Ri's ouster," the official said.

The North Korean military attempted a coup in April 1995, a year after the death of nation founder Kim Il-sung. "At that time, officers with the Sixth Corps in Chongjin plotted to occupy a university in town and announce their coup before heading to Pyongyang, but their plot was foiled and they were arrested," said Song Bong-sun at Korea University.

"The uprising occurred in the early stages of Kim Jong-il's attempt to gain control of the military, and there is no guarantee that Kim Jong-un won't face the same situation," an informed source said.

But most North Korea watchers believe the chances of a military uprising are slim at this point because Choe keeps an eye on practically every military truck that moves on the roads of North Korea.

Other experts warn there is an increased chance of a North Korean provocation. "It is typical of North Korea to aim its guns at South Korea whenever it faces internal turmoil," a government official here said. "We have heightened our alert against a possible provocation."

The Defense Ministry said it has bolstered surveillance following Ri's dismissal. The U.S. military has also boosted reconnaissance flights by U2 spy planes.

englishnews@chosun.com / Jul. 18, 2012 13:13 KST
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Post by Rum » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:06 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:What "irony", please?
Let's call it a contradiction then.

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Post by Svartalf » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:20 pm

LOL, if that article is right, it's a weird way to consolidate power by removing the supports... is Stalinian power a kind of suspended structure? Free floating maybe?
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Post by FBM » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:31 pm

Svartalf wrote:LOL, if that article is right, it's a weird way to consolidate power by removing the supports... is Stalinian power a kind of suspended structure? Free floating maybe?
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Post by FBM » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:40 am

Wow...

N.Korean Army Chief 'Refused to Go Quietly'
A gunbattle broke out when the North Korean regime removed army chief Ri Yong-ho from office, leaving 20 to 30 soldiers dead, according to unconfirmed intelligence reports. Some intelligence analysts believe Ri, who has not been seen since his abrupt sacking earlier this week, was injured or killed in the confrontation.

According to government officials here, the gunbattle erupted when Vice Marshal Choe Ryong-hae, the director of the People's Army General Political Bureau, tried to detain Ri in the process of carrying out leader Kim Jong-un's order to sack him. Guards protecting Ri, who is a vice marshal, apparently opened fire. "We cannot rule out the possibility that Ri was injured or even killed in the firefight," said one source.

Choe is believed to be the right-hand man of Jang Song-taek, the uncle and patron of the young North Korean leader. He made his career in the Workers Party rather than the army. After being appointed director of the bureau, Choe repeatedly clashed with Ri, who came up as a field commander, prompting Choe to keep Ri under close watch and apparently triggering an internal probe targeting the army chief.

The military had grown tremendously in power under former North Korean leader Kim Jong-il's "songun" or military-first doctrine, and military heavyweights like Ri who grew in stature during this period were considered threats to the young North Korean leader.

"The firefight has still not been 100 percent confirmed," said a government official here. "It may take some time for us to gain a clearer picture of what happened."

englishnews@chosun.com / Jul. 20, 2012 09:19 KST
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Post by JimC » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:34 am

It has to blow one day, doesn't it?
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Post by FBM » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:26 pm

JimC wrote:It has to blow one day, doesn't it?
Timely choice of words, Jim. Are you perhaps on the inside of the following weirdness? :what: :

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 01369.html
N.Korea Accuses South of Plot to Blow Up Statues
North Korea on Thursday accused South Korea of inciting a defector to damage statues and memorials there. At a press conference broadcast on state TV, a man identified as Jon Yong-chol "confessed" to plotting to damage statues at the orders of the National Intelligence Service and a group of North Korean defectors in the South.

Jon said he received liquid explosives from NIS agents and was taught how to use a remote control to blow up the statues. The attack was planned for either Feb. 16, Kim Jong-il's birthday, or Apr. 15, Kim Il-sung's birthday, but since the explosives were not ready it had to be postponed until July 27, North Korea's Victory Day in the Korean War.

Jon claimed he was arrested while crossing the border on the night of June 18 to inspect the site. "The NIS bastards said the plan had to be approved by the U.S. and only then could payment be made," he said. "Although I was exposed and arrested, the U.S. and the NIS in the puppet regime" -- shorthand for the South Korean government -- "will continue to produce more and more people like me."

Jon reportedly escaped North Korea in April 2010 and has lived in Chuncheon, Gangwon Province since March last year following resettlement training at the Hanawon center.

A government official said, "That North Korea is setting up a person in this kind of improbable plot suggests the domestic situation there is extremely unstable."

englishnews@chosun.com / Jul. 20, 2012 13:48 KST
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