Realistically, how common would that be?Warren Dew wrote:Not that easy to do when you're a six year old and the deranged one is a teacher three times your size.JimC wrote:It would only be a rather deranged minority of gay extremists that would assert that, Warren, and they can simply be ignored, or treated with appropriate derision...
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You still haven't given a single example of heterosexuality being presented as abnormal.Warren Dew wrote:Not that easy to do when you're a six year old and the deranged one is a teacher three times your size.JimC wrote:It would only be a rather deranged minority of gay extremists that would assert that, Warren, and they can simply be ignored, or treated with appropriate derision...
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It's a Conservative Talking Point™, evidence is not required, only repetition.Pappa wrote:You still haven't given a single example of heterosexuality being presented as abnormal.Warren Dew wrote:Not that easy to do when you're a six year old and the deranged one is a teacher three times your size.JimC wrote:It would only be a rather deranged minority of gay extremists that would assert that, Warren, and they can simply be ignored, or treated with appropriate derision...
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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You are getting farther and farther from reality in a desperate attempt to continue to justify a position which was ludicrous to begin with and is now descending into the bizarre.Warren Dew wrote:Not that easy to do when you're a six year old and the deranged one is a teacher three times your size.JimC wrote:It would only be a rather deranged minority of gay extremists that would assert that, Warren, and they can simply be ignored, or treated with appropriate derision...
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Ewwwwwwwmaiforpeace wrote:Maybe Seth or CES will get here and try to bail him out.
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I don't know how common it would be. I do know at least one Massachusetts teacher turned out to be a gay porn actor, and I haven't heard of any who were straight porn actors. That suggests that more extreme views and behavior may be more common among people who follow nontraditional lifestyles.JimC wrote:Realistically, how common would that be?Warren Dew wrote:Not that easy to do when you're a six year old and the deranged one is a teacher three times your size.JimC wrote:It would only be a rather deranged minority of gay extremists that would assert that, Warren, and they can simply be ignored, or treated with appropriate derision...
Even if it's rare, that's a lot less reassuring to those of us who have kids that may be affected than to single folks or people whose kids have already grown up.
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Fallacy of Small Numbers.
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I find this sample size convincing
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Seriously? This must be a PoE.Warren Dew wrote:I don't know how common it would be. I do know at least one Massachusetts teacher turned out to be a gay porn actor, and I haven't heard of any who were straight porn actors. That suggests that more extreme views and behavior may be more common among people who follow nontraditional lifestyles.JimC wrote:Realistically, how common would that be?Warren Dew wrote:Not that easy to do when you're a six year old and the deranged one is a teacher three times your size.JimC wrote:It would only be a rather deranged minority of gay extremists that would assert that, Warren, and they can simply be ignored, or treated with appropriate derision...
Even if it's rare, that's a lot less reassuring to those of us who have kids that may be affected than to single folks or people whose kids have already grown up.
Why does being a former or active actor in the pornography industry disqualify one as a teacher or indicate that they have extreme views? Why is it extreme behaviour? How does the sexual orientation of the pornography the actor plays in factor in at all?
Furthermore, how many heterosexual, non-pornographic actors, have abused their position of trust with their students? How many times have we heard cases of sexual abuse and 'relationships' between student and teacher? Does this indicate that heterosexuals may be more likely to molest/abuse students?

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WD really is like that, Pord.
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Me too.Clinton Huxley wrote:I find this sample size convincing
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I think acting in a porn film is a fairly extreme behavior - not the kind of thing one expects from a teacher to whom one entrusts small children.PordFrefect wrote:Seriously? This must be a PoE.Warren Dew wrote:I don't know how common it would be. I do know at least one Massachusetts teacher turned out to be a gay porn actor, and I haven't heard of any who were straight porn actors. That suggests that more extreme views and behavior may be more common among people who follow nontraditional lifestyles.JimC wrote:Realistically, how common would that be?Warren Dew wrote:Not that easy to do when you're a six year old and the deranged one is a teacher three times your size.JimC wrote:It would only be a rather deranged minority of gay extremists that would assert that, Warren, and they can simply be ignored, or treated with appropriate derision...
Even if it's rare, that's a lot less reassuring to those of us who have kids that may be affected than to single folks or people whose kids have already grown up.
Why does being a former or active actor in the pornography industry disqualify one as a teacher or indicate that they have extreme views? Why is it extreme behaviour? How does the sexual orientation of the pornography the actor plays in factor in at all?
The sexual orientation is a statistical argument: I can find gay examples here in Massachusetts, but I have to do a nationwide search to find hetero examples, though they too are often fired:
California: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... dle-school
Massachusetts: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/high-sc ... itch-hunt/
Unless we think most teachers in Massachusetts are gay - which would also be problematic, since that's not true of the general population - that suggests that gay teachers are more likely to engage in this type of behavior. No, it's not illegal, but neither is racial bigotry, as Mai pointed out earlier; behavior can be legal and still inappropriate for schoolteachers.
That's exactly the kind of analysis I'm doing. If extreme behavior were independent of sexual behavior, we'd expect the abusive relationships with children to be in proportion to the sexual orientation of the abuser - a lot more heterosexual incidents, since there are a lot more heterosexuals in the population, but not 100%. Instead, what we see is that homosexual abuse seems more common than we'd expect; for example in the case of the Catholic church scandal, a large majority of the victims were of the same sex as the abusers.Furthermore, how many heterosexual, non-pornographic actors, have abused their position of trust with their students? How many times have we heard cases of sexual abuse and 'relationships' between student and teacher? Does this indicate that heterosexuals may be more likely to molest/abuse students?
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that makes it statistically significant...Pappa wrote:Me too.Clinton Huxley wrote:I find this sample size convincing
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Why is it 'extreme behaviour'? How does it make that person unsuitable as a teacher or someone you wouldn't entrust with the care of small children?Warren Dew wrote:I think acting in a porn film is a fairly extreme behavior - not the kind of thing one expects from a teacher to whom one entrusts small children.PordFrefect wrote:Seriously? This must be a PoE.Warren Dew wrote:I don't know how common it would be. I do know at least one Massachusetts teacher turned out to be a gay porn actor, and I haven't heard of any who were straight porn actors. That suggests that more extreme views and behavior may be more common among people who follow nontraditional lifestyles.JimC wrote:Realistically, how common would that be?Warren Dew wrote: Not that easy to do when you're a six year old and the deranged one is a teacher three times your size.
Even if it's rare, that's a lot less reassuring to those of us who have kids that may be affected than to single folks or people whose kids have already grown up.
Why does being a former or active actor in the pornography industry disqualify one as a teacher or indicate that they have extreme views? Why is it extreme behaviour? How does the sexual orientation of the pornography the actor plays in factor in at all?
Statistical argument? What statistics? Do you mean to say you have statistics that support your assertion that homosexuals are more likely to engage in this so-called 'extreme behaviour'? (Statistic methods require more than one data point)The sexual orientation is a statistical argument
What is this 'suggestion' based on? What behaviour are we speaking of? The practice of homosexuality or of being or having been a pornographic actor? How does either one make a person unsuited to be a schoolteacher?Unless we think most teachers in Massachusetts are gay - which would also be problematic, since that's not true of the general population - that suggests that gay teachers are more likely to engage in this type of behavior. No, it's not illegal, but neither is racial bigotry, as Mai pointed out earlier; behavior can be legal and still inappropriate for schoolteachers.

[/quote]That's exactly the kind of analysis I'm doing. If extreme behavior were independent of sexual behavior, we'd expect the abusive relationships with children to be in proportion to the sexual orientation of the abuser - a lot more heterosexual incidents, since there are a lot more heterosexuals in the population, but not 100%. Instead, what we see is that homosexual abuse seems more common than we'd expect; for example in the case of the Catholic church scandal, a large majority of the victims were of the same sex as the abusers.Furthermore, how many heterosexual, non-pornographic actors, have abused their position of trust with their students? How many times have we heard cases of sexual abuse and 'relationships' between student and teacher? Does this indicate that heterosexuals may be more likely to molest/abuse students?
I was parodying your logic.

You're equating pedophilia and homosexuality here? Or homosexual pornography? I'm not sure, it's difficult to follow this level of fail in an attempted argument. The Catholic priest's abuse ploy is a red herring - I'm not entirely sure the matter of sexual orientation of molesters in the church has ever been investigated properly, but I believe the reason boys are favoured may have something to do with accessibility and doctrine (priests specifically prohibited from women, apparently boys can be rationalized). However, this is entirely irrelevant.
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