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Internet Explorer Tax!

Post by Thinking Aloud » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:57 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18440979

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The Australian online retailer Kogan.com has introduced the world's first "tax" on Microsoft's Internet Explorer 7 (IE7) browser.

Customers who use IE7 will have to pay an extra surcharge on online purchases made through the firm's site.

Chief executive Ruslan Kogan told the BBC he wanted to recoup the time and costs involved in "rendering the website into a antique browser".
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Post by klr » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:04 pm

This smells like a stunt to me, and there is a chance this could backfire in terms of PR. A much better option (IMHO) would have been to just tell IE7 users to upgrade to whatever was required.

If enough people are using it, it's not antique. If very few are using it, why bother wasting time and effort supporting it in the first place? According to one set of stats, IE 7 accounts for only just over 2% of market share, and it's been years since it was a major player.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:15 pm

Dafuq still uses IE?
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Post by rachelbean » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:18 pm

And developers around the world clap and sigh "I wish"...
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:22 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Dafuq still uses IE?
My work. It's the "official approved" browser and we're not supposed to use any other. I have to use something else, though, because I can't download data using it. :fp:
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Post by Robert_S » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:31 pm

klr wrote:This smells like a stunt to me, and there is a chance this could backfire in terms of PR. A much better option (IMHO) would have been to just tell IE7 users to upgrade to whatever was required.

If enough people are using it, it's not antique. If very few are using it, why bother wasting time and effort supporting it in the first place? According to one set of stats, IE 7 accounts for only just over 2% of market share, and it's been years since it was a major player.
If enough people are too lazy or stubborn to do a free download, then they should pay more. If it really does take that much more time to remain compatible with an oddball browser for which there is no reasonable technical or philosophical reason to do, then it costs the rest of us either in reduced quality or higher cost.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by klr » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:41 pm

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klr wrote:This smells like a stunt to me, and there is a chance this could backfire in terms of PR. A much better option (IMHO) would have been to just tell IE7 users to upgrade to whatever was required.

If enough people are using it, it's not antique. If very few are using it, why bother wasting time and effort supporting it in the first place? According to one set of stats, IE 7 accounts for only just over 2% of market share, and it's been years since it was a major player.
If enough people are too lazy or stubborn to do a free download, then they should pay more. If it really does take that much more time to remain compatible with an oddball browser for which there is no reasonable technical or philosophical reason to do, then it costs the rest of us either in reduced quality or higher cost.
But the likely effect of charging someone more is that they go off and immediately upgrade, possibly even after deciding to forego whatever purchase they wanted to make. So the vendor makes little or no money to claw back its extra development effort, which is effectively being spent for the benefit of all web sites by removing IE 7 laggards from the browsing pool. As I said, it would probably have been much more cost-effective to simply say "IE 7? Sorry, please upgrade, it's free.". Actually charging people for using IE7 because it's out of date is likely to get up a lot of people's noses the way a simple "sorry, not supported" message would never do.
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Re: Internet Explorer Tax!

Post by Robert_S » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:04 pm

klr wrote:
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klr wrote:This smells like a stunt to me, and there is a chance this could backfire in terms of PR. A much better option (IMHO) would have been to just tell IE7 users to upgrade to whatever was required.

If enough people are using it, it's not antique. If very few are using it, why bother wasting time and effort supporting it in the first place? According to one set of stats, IE 7 accounts for only just over 2% of market share, and it's been years since it was a major player.
If enough people are too lazy or stubborn to do a free download, then they should pay more. If it really does take that much more time to remain compatible with an oddball browser for which there is no reasonable technical or philosophical reason to do, then it costs the rest of us either in reduced quality or higher cost.
But the likely effect of charging someone more is that they go off and immediately upgrade, possibly even after deciding to forego whatever purchase they wanted to make. So the vendor makes little or no money to claw back its extra development effort, which is effectively being spent for the benefit of all web sites by removing IE 7 laggards from the browsing pool. As I said, it would probably have been much more cost-effective to simply say "IE 7? Sorry, please upgrade, it's free.". Actually charging people for using IE7 because it's out of date is likely to get up a lot of people's noses the way a simple "sorry, not supported" message would never do.
I'm totally unfamiliar with the windoze world. Is usage of IE7 indicative of customers that are likely to be troublesome in other ways too? As the guy who runs the gas station that doesn't sell lottery tickets or booze once told me: "Not all money is good money!"
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:18 pm

I'd say that usage of IE 7 is indicative of a completely antiquated computer whose OS is itself an antiquated, no longer supported version... basically, the poor who can't afford anything even vaguely recent and/or the nearly computer illiterate who find ANY computer access a step up from not having access at all.
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Post by klr » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:27 pm

Svartalf wrote:I'd say that usage of IE 7 is indicative of a completely antiquated computer whose OS is itself an antiquated, no longer supported version... basically, the poor who can't afford anything even vaguely recent and/or the nearly computer illiterate who find ANY computer access a step up from not having access at all.
I still prefer to use Office 2003 over 2007, although at times there is isn't much to choose. I wouldn't touch Office 2010. I still use Windows XP (SP3), and will likely not switch to Windows 7 - and certainly never Windows 8. But those are deliberate choices, having seen the options. Other types of software (especially utilities and minor applications), I upgrade as often and as soon as the upgrades become available.

As for browsers: What Chrome - and increasingly Firefox - have managed to do is get people to agree to having their software updated every other day, "no questions asked". I'm not sure that's a good way to be TBH.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:28 pm

I keep reading this as "Internet Explorer Taxi."

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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:31 pm

Well, one of the reasons I shifted to palemoon is precisely that I got tired of firefox upgrading too often.

and I've often wished I had kept XP... wasn't given the choice.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:44 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:I keep reading this as "Internet Explorer Taxi."

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Post by Robert_S » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:45 pm

I get :nervous: about upgrades myself. Well, more precisely: I tend to get so excited about the new changes.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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