Lets have a global "one child" policy

[maiforpeace]

How about those of you who care to complain about human overpopulation and seek to impose restrictions on the reproductive rights of others do the planet a favor and go out to your front lawns right now and slit your bellies in shame? That would improve the situation immediately.

Why don't you go out and blow your own brains out through your ass?
That would be nice too.

Seth and Mistermack. Did you ever consider that these statements could be taken seriously and that someone might actually do this? Not only that, this is public so it's not like it's restricted to the Rationalia membership.

And you call yourselves grown men.

[Bella Fortuna]

How about those of you who care to complain about human overpopulation and seek to impose restrictions on the reproductive rights of others do the planet a favor and go out to your front lawns right now and slit your bellies in shame? That would improve the situation immediately.

Why don't you go out and blow your own brains out through your ass?
That would be nice too.

Seth and Mistermack. Did you ever consider that these statements could be taken seriously and that someone might actually do this? Not only that, this is public so it's not like it's restricted to the Rationalia membership.

And you call yourselves grown men.

+1

[Drewish]

I'm with Seth on this one. You have a problem with overpopulation and want a forcible solution? Go fucking kill yourself. That'll be a start. And I DO mean that seriously.

[Robert_S]

China would still have the starving multitudes that way.

[Robert_S]

Andrew, aren't you the same one who got all mad when I posted the clip of the Blues Brothers movie where Jake and Elwood ran the US Neo-Nazis off the bridge?

[Warren Dew]

A mysterious disease that progressively destroys womens' fertility after each childbirth would be the most painless way.

It's called aging. And it's quite effective.

I think he was hoping for something directly related to number of births, rather than to aging. Relying on aging encourages early childbirth, which may not be what one wants to encourage for population control purposes.

And I'm no longer so sure about the "progressive" part of aging, either. Elizabeth needed an IVF to get pregnant at 37, but got pregnant naturally this time at 41, which should have been much more difficult by age. I now think the progressive loss of fertility is mostly attributable to progressive damage from a modern agricultural diet, which is something we fixed a few years ago.

[Drewish]

Andrew, aren't you the same one who got all mad when I posted the clip of the Blues Brothers movie where Jake and Elwood ran the US Neo-Nazis off the bridge?

Yeah. People killing themselves I have no issue with. People expressing hatred towards each other I have no problem with. People being violent against each other I have a problem with. People using threats of violence against each other I have a problem with. It's a very clear distinction to me, but probably appears hypocritical to individuals who see hatred, threats, and violence all as one thing.

[Warren Dew]

Andrew, aren't you the same one who got all mad when I posted the clip of the Blues Brothers movie where Jake and Elwood ran the US Neo-Nazis off the bridge?

I think running someone off a bridge counts as "forcible", which is what he's objecting to.

Suicide, in contrast, is by definition voluntary rather than forcible.

[laklak]

Global warming, peak oil, swine/avian flu, flesh-eating antibiotic resistant bacteria, mutating viruses, MIami zombies. Overpopulation? Whatcho talkin bout Willis?

[Robert_S]

Andrew, aren't you the same one who got all mad when I posted the clip of the Blues Brothers movie where Jake and Elwood ran the US Neo-Nazis off the bridge?

Yeah. People killing themselves I have no issue with. People expressing hatred towards each other I have no problem with. People being violent against each other I have a problem with. People using threats of violence against each other I have a problem with. It's a very clear distinction to me, but probably appears hypocritical to individuals who see hatred, threats, and violence all as one thing.

So, you see the depiction of Jake and Elwood using a cartoonish bit of violence against those spreading the Nazi ideology as more or less offensive than spreading that ideology which has led to very real violence and genocide within living memory at the time of the film's production? Actually, the violence from Neo-Nazi groups still persists to this day.

Personally, I find the idea of forcible human population control very distasteful, but less distasteful than ecological collapse, widespread disease, mass starvation and the like. We do the same for animals when we've knocked off their predators and they're in danger of mass suffering by culling the adults. Should I kill myself for allowing for the possibility that maybe the right for a couple to have that extra child might not be as sacrosanct as the right for everyone else to not have to deal with disease, starvation and so on.

[Tyrannical]

It's some what ironic that Western civilization created the global over population problem through scientific achievements, yet is largely unaffected by over population themselves. If we had only followed that Star Trek prime directive

[Robert_S]

It's some what ironic that Western civilization created the global over population problem through scientific achievements, yet is largely unaffected by over population themselves. If we had only followed that Star Trek prime directive

Actually, the West could have prevented much of the problem by spreading birth control and secularism along with the great medicines that allowed much lower infant mortality. It's the Mother Teresa types that, for all their virtues, won't abandon their stupid old mythologies even when profound human suffering is on the line.

Cue someone with the "poor maligned Catholic Church" sob story again.

[mistermack]

Seth and Mistermack. Did you ever consider that these statements could be taken seriously and that someone might actually do this? Not only that, this is public so it's not like it's restricted to the Rationalia membership.
And you call yourselves grown men.

Just like a woman, writing sexist comments, when you should be getting dinner.

[Blind groper]

Personally, I find the idea of forcible human population control very distasteful, but less distasteful than ecological collapse, widespread disease, mass starvation and the like.

I don't know why I bother. The name of this forum is rationalia, but rationality is just as scarce here as anywhere else.

Let me repeat. There is no bloody population explosion. There is no ecological collapse, widespread disease or mass starvation due to overpopulation. That is a myth.

Reality is slowing population growth, which will stop and then go into decline by 2100 at around 10 billion. Read the bloody United Nations reference I posted! We can comfortably feed 10 billion people. We will have massively increased technological capabilities by 2100, and if we cannot avoid ecological collapse and mass disease by then, there is something very badly wrong, and it is not overpopulation.

[maiforpeace]

Seth and Mistermack. Did you ever consider that these statements could be taken seriously and that someone might actually do this? Not only that, this is public so it's not like it's restricted to the Rationalia membership.
And you call yourselves grown men.

Just like a woman, writing sexist comments, when you should be getting dinner.

I expected worse, but then, Seth hasn't responded yet.

Dinner will be ready at 6.