Evolution of Human Aggression.

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Re: Evolution of Human Aggression.

Post by Blind groper » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:25 pm

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If I was a conscript in the first WW, ........ Because it was an unnecessary war, caused by squabbling royal families.
I think you need to brush up on your history. That was not the cause.

The cause was several empires at the time, greedy for territory, invading their neighbours. The Austro-hungarians invading Serbia, most unwisely, since Serbia was an ally of the Russian Empire. The German Empire invading Belgium and France, most unwisely, since those two were allies of the British Empire. The Ottoman Empire throwing its weight in hoping to take over Persia.

The trigger for WWI was the assassination of Grand Duke Ferdinand of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. But just the trigger.
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Re: Evolution of Human Aggression.

Post by mistermack » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:41 pm

Blind groper wrote:
mistermack wrote:

If I was a conscript in the first WW, ........ Because it was an unnecessary war, caused by squabbling royal families.
I think you need to brush up on your history. That was not the cause.

The cause was several empires at the time, greedy for territory, invading their neighbours. The Austro-hungarians invading Serbia, most unwisely, since Serbia was an ally of the Russian Empire. The German Empire invading Belgium and France, most unwisely, since those two were allies of the British Empire. The Ottoman Empire throwing its weight in hoping to take over Persia.

The trigger for WWI was the assassination of Grand Duke Ferdinand of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. But just the trigger.
Well, presumably an empire is led by an emperor. Sounds like squabbling royal families to me.
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Re: Evolution of Human Aggression.

Post by Blind groper » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:29 pm

The WWI problem was the existence of empires that were jealous of each other. The Austro-Hungarians and the Germans were allies. Russia and Britain were not allies before the war, but became allies once the war was under way. The Ottoman Empire chose to ally itself with A.H. and the Germans after the war began.

There were a lot of people behind those empires. Not just royal families. A lot of territorial ambition. A lot of national pride. A lot of stupidity. Calling it squabbling royal families is kinda missing the point.
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Re: Evolution of Human Aggression.

Post by mistermack » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:15 pm

Blind groper wrote:The WWI problem was the existence of empires that were jealous of each other. The Austro-Hungarians and the Germans were allies. Russia and Britain were not allies before the war, but became allies once the war was under way. The Ottoman Empire chose to ally itself with A.H. and the Germans after the war began.

There were a lot of people behind those empires. Not just royal families. A lot of territorial ambition. A lot of national pride. A lot of stupidity. Calling it squabbling royal families is kinda missing the point.
Well, I wasn't trying to analyse WW1 in a single sentence. I did kind of have a feeling that more people might be involved than just the Royals.
I was just saying what would have put me off fighting.
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Re: Evolution of Human Aggression.

Post by Svartalf » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:20 pm

YOu could use 1 000 pages and not do it justice. Einstein managed to sum some very important things in a 5 character formula... but unless you have a genius level IQ and a gift for it, that's the kind of stunt you're not supposed to be doing at home.
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Re: Evolution of Human Aggression.

Post by Tero » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:28 am

The countries were all ready to show some muscle. Put a gun in their hand and they think they own the world.

Except for all the secret deals.

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