US Prez Election 2012 Thread - Opinions and Discussions

[maiforpeace]

Well, if I missed the Wash Post, or the NYTimes or Chicago Tribunes expose' on Obama's adolescence, then I surely do need to be educated. I mean, now I know what a 14 year old Romney talked about to his post-pubescent pals, and I have learned the important fact that young teenage boys can and do sometimes behave badly to each other. Now that I know that about Romney, I surely must conclude that it permeates the core of his character. I'm sure Obama was never unjustifiably mean to anyone.

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.Whether the guy was gay is immaterial...what his real crime was according to Romney and his fellow thugs, was being different.

Just look at how he treated his father in law after he died...that says it all.

[Tyrannical]

Well, if I missed the Wash Post, or the NYTimes or Chicago Tribunes expose' on Obama's adolescence, then I surely do need to be educated. I mean, now I know what a 14 year old Romney talked about to his post-pubescent pals, and I have learned the important fact that young teenage boys can and do sometimes behave badly to each other. Now that I know that about Romney, I surely must conclude that it permeates the core of his character. I'm sure Obama was never unjustifiably mean to anyone.

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.

Just look at how he treated his father in law after he died...that says it all.

Just look how Obama treats his family.
He has two illegal alien relatives in the US living off of welfare, and numerous other Kenyan relatives living dirt poor while Obama has millions. Hard to believe people are still gullible enough to think Obama care's for the poor when he won't even help his own family.

[Coito ergo sum]

Well, if I missed the Wash Post, or the NYTimes or Chicago Tribunes expose' on Obama's adolescence, then I surely do need to be educated. I mean, now I know what a 14 year old Romney talked about to his post-pubescent pals, and I have learned the important fact that young teenage boys can and do sometimes behave badly to each other. Now that I know that about Romney, I surely must conclude that it permeates the core of his character. I'm sure Obama was never unjustifiably mean to anyone.

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.Whether the guy was gay is immaterial...what his real crime was according to Romney and his fellow thugs, was being different.

Just look at how he treated his father in law after he died...that says it all.

Nobody seems to be worried about Obama bullying someone as a child. Maybe it's o.k. because he remembers it...doesn't permeate his core personality...

I'm not sure why people care about this posthumous baptisms. It's no different than people praying for the dead who may have been irreligious. They're not "actually" converting someone. They're just saying "In the name of our religion, you are now converted." Big whoop.

a ceremony was held to invite Mr Davies into the Church of Latter Day Saints one year after he died.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

According to the religion's official website, the baptisms are seen as a way to offer those souls an option of joining the Church even once they have died. A key point is that it is seen as an option- as the souls are believed to have the ability to either accept or reject the baptism.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1vhfxCA84

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1vhfmSlpx

Compare that to Obama's church! LOL -- oh, wait...Obama's church is irrelevant... I remember now... that doesn't "say it all" when it comes to Obama because we don't hold him to the faith he espouses, or the church he attended for 20+ years...

[maiforpeace]

Well, if I missed the Wash Post, or the NYTimes or Chicago Tribunes expose' on Obama's adolescence, then I surely do need to be educated. I mean, now I know what a 14 year old Romney talked about to his post-pubescent pals, and I have learned the important fact that young teenage boys can and do sometimes behave badly to each other. Now that I know that about Romney, I surely must conclude that it permeates the core of his character. I'm sure Obama was never unjustifiably mean to anyone.

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.

Just look at how he treated his father in law after he died...that says it all.

Just look how Obama treats his family.
He has two illegal alien relatives in the US living off of welfare, and numerous other Kenyan relatives living dirt poor while Obama has millions. Hard to believe people are still gullible enough to think Obama care's for the poor when he won't even help his own family.

Just curious, do you have any poor relatives?

I do, and there's only so much one can do to help people who are poor...especially family. They have to be willing to help themselves. He could pull all the strings in the world for his illegal relatives, but they probably remain illegal because they didn't want to do what they had to do.

[Coito ergo sum]

Well, if I missed the Wash Post, or the NYTimes or Chicago Tribunes expose' on Obama's adolescence, then I surely do need to be educated. I mean, now I know what a 14 year old Romney talked about to his post-pubescent pals, and I have learned the important fact that young teenage boys can and do sometimes behave badly to each other. Now that I know that about Romney, I surely must conclude that it permeates the core of his character. I'm sure Obama was never unjustifiably mean to anyone.

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.

Just look at how he treated his father in law after he died...that says it all.

Just look how Obama treats his family.
He has two illegal alien relatives in the US living off of welfare, and numerous other Kenyan relatives living dirt poor while Obama has millions. Hard to believe people are still gullible enough to think Obama care's for the poor when he won't even help his own family.

Just curious, do you have any poor relatives?

I do, and there's only so much one can do to help people who are poor...especially family. They have to be willing to help themselves. He could pull all the strings in the world for his illegal relatives, but they probably remain illegal because they didn't want to do what they had to do.

Ah, yes, give him the benefit of the doubt. He could support them financially with his millions, being well into the top 1% and all, but he probably has tried and "there's only so much he can do," right? Won't hold that against him, or his bullying in school, or his wack-a-doodle religion....

Romney on the other hand....

[maiforpeace]

Well, if I missed the Wash Post, or the NYTimes or Chicago Tribunes expose' on Obama's adolescence, then I surely do need to be educated. I mean, now I know what a 14 year old Romney talked about to his post-pubescent pals, and I have learned the important fact that young teenage boys can and do sometimes behave badly to each other. Now that I know that about Romney, I surely must conclude that it permeates the core of his character. I'm sure Obama was never unjustifiably mean to anyone.

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.Whether the guy was gay is immaterial...what his real crime was according to Romney and his fellow thugs, was being different.

Just look at how he treated his father in law after he died...that says it all.

Nobody seems to be worried about Obama bullying someone as a child. Maybe it's o.k. because he remembers it...doesn't permeate his core personality...

I'm not sure why people care about this posthumous baptisms. It's no different than people praying for the dead who may have been irreligious. They're not "actually" converting someone. They're just saying "In the name of our religion, you are now converted." Big whoop.

a ceremony was held to invite Mr Davies into the Church of Latter Day Saints one year after he died.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

According to the religion's official website, the baptisms are seen as a way to offer those souls an option of joining the Church even once they have died. A key point is that it is seen as an option- as the souls are believed to have the ability to either accept or reject the baptism.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1vhfxCA84

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1vhfmSlpx

Compare that to Obama's church! LOL -- oh, wait...Obama's church is irrelevant... I remember now... that doesn't "say it all" when it comes to Obama because we don't hold him to the faith he espouses, or the church he attended for 20+ years...

This posthumous baptism shows that he has zero respect for the beliefs of others...in this case, his father in law who was an atheist.

That's why I care.

EDIT

Nobody seems to be worried about Obama bullying someone as a child. Maybe it's o.k. because he remembers it...doesn't permeate his core personality...

It's not OK, but it makes a huge difference to me that he recognizes and acknowledges it rather than the patronizing manner in which Romney pretends to show remorse all the while denying the incident with his "I don't remember, but if you say so...."

[Coito ergo sum]

This posthumous baptism shows that he has zero respect for the beliefs of others...in this case, his father in law who was an atheist.

That's why I care.

How is it different than religious people "praying for" God or Mary or Jesus or the Saints to help someone who is irreligious come to a particular Church?

All they did was hold a ceremony a year after the guy died and invite the dead guy to join the church. The dead guy is allowed to refuse, according to what I've read about the Mormon practice. And, it's not like they sprinkled holy water on the body...

Oh, and the guy's non-Mormon son denies strenuously that his father was an atheist. He says he believed in God, but did not subscribe to a particular religion. That would make sense, because an avowed atheist as mayor of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan? Fat chance. That's white-bread Protestant, wealthy, and atheists are not generally invited....

[Tyrannical]

Well, if I missed the Wash Post, or the NYTimes or Chicago Tribunes expose' on Obama's adolescence, then I surely do need to be educated. I mean, now I know what a 14 year old Romney talked about to his post-pubescent pals, and I have learned the important fact that young teenage boys can and do sometimes behave badly to each other. Now that I know that about Romney, I surely must conclude that it permeates the core of his character. I'm sure Obama was never unjustifiably mean to anyone.

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.

Just look at how he treated his father in law after he died...that says it all.

Just look how Obama treats his family.
He has two illegal alien relatives in the US living off of welfare, and numerous other Kenyan relatives living dirt poor while Obama has millions. Hard to believe people are still gullible enough to think Obama care's for the poor when he won't even help his own family.

Just curious, do you have any poor relatives?

I do, and there's only so much one can do to help people who are poor...especially family. They have to be willing to help themselves. He could pull all the strings in the world for his illegal relatives, but they probably remain illegal because they didn't want to do what they had to do.

I'm sure the Kenyan branch would appreciate and put to good use the few dollars millionaire Obama could afford. Sure Obama Sr. was a useless drunk that squandered all of his opportunities, but Obama Jr. is supposed to be the better man.

[Coito ergo sum]

It's not OK, but it makes a huge difference to me that he recognizes and acknowledges it rather than the patronizing manner in which Romney pretends to show remorse all the while denying the incident with his "I don't remember, but if you say so...."

There are a number of issues here. One, he may not remember it, because it may not have happened that way. It was like, 45 years ago. It was a teenage prank by a kid who apparently liked to play practical jokes. The "victim" is characterized dramatically in the articles as having been gay, but according to some family members that wasn't the case. The article in WaPo recounts the incident as life changing for the kid who got his hair cut, and that he wandered through life thereafter, while Romney, the bastard, rocketed to the top, like the richy-rich he was -- clearly painting a picture that Romney callous act wrecked this dude's life.

I was pantsed by a kid in high school gym class at the age of 14, and some girls saw my wee-wee. It was embarrassing at the time. Ought the person who did that to me "remember" it after 30 years?

I am sure there are things that were done to me, and by me, between the ages of 12 and 17 that I don't remember. I'd be surprised if most anyone other than those "total recall" memory people could remember all the bad things that they did or didn't do. I wouldn't hold Obama to his bullying and cocaine use 30 years ago, even if he didn't write about it.

[Coito ergo sum]

Huh..... http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 6#p1186029

[maiforpeace]

Huh..... http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 6#p1186029

To qualify that statement, I'm fairly certain I remember everything I did...not so much what my partner did to me. I said as much here as well.

Well, if I missed the Wash Post, or the NYTimes or Chicago Tribunes expose' on Obama's adolescence, then I surely do need to be educated. I mean, now I know what a 14 year old Romney talked about to his post-pubescent pals, and I have learned the important fact that young teenage boys can and do sometimes behave badly to each other. Now that I know that about Romney, I surely must conclude that it permeates the core of his character. I'm sure Obama was never unjustifiably mean to anyone.

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.Whether the guy was gay is immaterial...what his real crime was according to Romney and his fellow thugs, was being different.

Just look at how he treated his father in law after he died...that says it all.

[Coito ergo sum]

Well, I'm fairly certain I don't, which is why I can identify with someone around the age of 60 not remember what they might have done at the age of 14 or 15, and recollections at that distance in time tend to be fuzzy and people can recollect the same event in a completely different fashion.

[Tyrannical]

Huh..... http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 6#p1186029

I noticed that too

[maiforpeace]

Huh..... http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 6#p1186029

I noticed that too

Yeah, just go ahead and ignore my most recent post here.

[trdsf]

What bothers me the most about this is the fact that Romney didn't remember the incident...at 55 I still remember what I did as a five year old that I am ashamed of. That tells me that is a normal thread that makes up his fabric - that he thinks he knows whats bad and good for others, and not that only that will garner the support of other people to push his agenda on others.Whether the guy was gay is immaterial...what his real crime was according to Romney and his fellow thugs, was being different.

I would feel better about it if Romney remembered -- it could have then been a learning experience.

Speaking as the person who spent his entire time in school being the victim of this sort of thing (small, bright, bespectacled from 4th grade on, skipped first grade, birthday in the middle of the school year -- you try being anything from a 5-year-old second grader to a 15-year-old high school senior and see how many friends you make), though, I'm not surprised he doesn't remember. This is the semisociopathic nature of the bully, who is utterly unable to process the fact that he is deliberately causing pain to another human being for no reason other than to make themselves feel better, or to not appear weak in the eyes of another semisociopathic peer. That he doesn't remember only suggests to me that he hasn't appreciably matured internally since then, that the semisociopathic bully is still in there.