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Post by mistermack » Sat May 12, 2012 8:45 am

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Jayzis! I've a heap of these on my fridge.
I love this painting. If I had the kind of money to buy top-shelf art, I'd want to own it.
Why not make your own, then?
You could do a nice job for about $100.
I've already got the paint and the canvas, so I could do it for free.

It'd be nice, I guess. But it wouldn't be the same.
And come the think of it, he might have done something groovy with pigments that I couldn't replicate with what I've got here.
That's no problem. You could sell it half-price for forty million dollars, and buy loads of ace pigments, and have another go.
If it was completely shit, just sell it for a million.
I would. Just cut your losses.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 12, 2012 11:42 am

The OP painting would look good over a bed in a motel.
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Post by Audley Strange » Sat May 12, 2012 1:41 pm

You know what? I'm going to come right out and say it. I am a fan of quite a lot of modern, expressive and abstract art and while I understand it's not for everyone, the reaction against it annoys the fuck out of me.

"Oh my kid could do that." Yeah? So fucking what? They didn't. That shit is as tiresome as snotty rock dinosaurs whining about punk being simple chords or post punks whining about electronic music "aww it's just pressing buttons."

Every tried it? Go on, if it's as easy as a lot of you seem to think, go and make millions.

To me faux-philistine posture is just feigning indignation to disguise frustration and is as appalling as the pretension as the art critics they've chosen to criticise. If you just don't get it that's fine, no need to get angry and claim it unjustifiable (unless subsided with public funds, then I'm with you) but if someone is happy to pay a lot of money for something you think is worthless, how the fuck does that affect you?
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I'm not feigning anything. I don't like that crap.
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Post by Audley Strange » Sat May 12, 2012 1:44 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:I'm not feigning anything. I don't like that crap.
You're entitled to.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 12, 2012 2:00 pm

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Gawdzilla wrote:I'm not feigning anything. I don't like that crap.
You're entitled to.
Yep. My real issue isn't with the "artist" in this category, it's with the parasites art critics that tout the work.
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Post by mistermack » Sat May 12, 2012 2:02 pm

Audley Strange wrote: Every tried it? Go on, if it's as easy as a lot of you seem to think, go and make millions.
That's a really false argument.
If Damien Hirst took a child's painting, and claimed that it was one of his, you can be 100% certain that it would sell for a huge price.
And if he produced the best work he could, and sold it as the work of an anonymous 12 year old, it would sell for bugger-all.

Everybody know that it's true.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 12, 2012 2:14 pm

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Audley Strange wrote: Every tried it? Go on, if it's as easy as a lot of you seem to think, go and make millions.
That's a really false argument.
If Damien Hirst took a child's painting, and claimed that it was one of his, you can be 100% certain that it would sell for a huge price.
And if he produced the best work he could, and sold it as the work of an anonymous 12 year old, it would sell for bugger-all.

Everybody know that it's true.
It's all in the hype. I've seen some amazing art that was simply ignored because it was "representational", and thus automatically "not trendy".
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Post by Animavore » Sat May 12, 2012 2:19 pm

I was wondering when someone was going to drop the you don't "get it" bomb.
Reminds me when someone plays some shit, hyped up music like Justin Bieber and when I laugh at it and rip the piss they get indignant and tell me I don't understand and I'm just jealous.

This is just petty. If I was going to bother being jealous of an artist it would be someone with real talent like Salvador Dali.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 12, 2012 2:20 pm

Some real art:
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Post by Hermit » Sat May 12, 2012 2:21 pm

Audley Strange wrote:You know what? I'm going to come right out and say it. I am a fan of quite a lot of modern, expressive and abstract art and while I understand it's not for everyone, the reaction against it annoys the fuck out of me.

"Oh my kid could do that."
I confess to have very pedestrian tastes, but to each his/her own. My objection is not - and has never been - an alleged lack of skill or technique. It's the price tag generated by the hype about artists and their creations that results in the product of, say, rolling a naked person across a big piece of canvas covered with flecks of fresh oil paint.

Look at this for bullshit. In 1917 Marcel Duchamp bought a porcelain urinal and signed it "R. Mutt 1917". The work was lost some time after independent exhibitors refused to display it.

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In 1997 one of several recreations of that work "under the supervision of the artist" was auctioned for $1,762,500 in 1997 by Sotheby's. And here it is:

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 12, 2012 2:22 pm

I think I'll sign the Universe and sell it.
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Post by orpheus » Sat May 12, 2012 2:39 pm

A) The cosmos, beautiful though it is, is not art. We can appreciate it aesthetically, sure. But "art" is related to the word "artifice" for a reason. I have a fascinating book that has reproductions of Cezanne's landscape paintings, and on facing pages photographs of the actual landscapes themselves. Often both are beautiful, but in their own ways. You can see that he was trying to make something quite different than an attempt at a literal reproduction. That's not to denigrate the real, but to say that it's "art" is the same sort of vocabulary distortion as saying (pace Spinoza) the universe is god.

B) In these arguments people always seem to pull out examples like Duchamp's urinal or (in music) Cage's "4:33" - example that do stretch the definitions of what art is. That's fine. But then they sweep the entirety of modern art into that category. And that, quite frankly, is an incorrect generalization. Maybe it's due to ignorance, maybe to hostility. I don't know, but it's wrong. Contemporary artists are up to many different things; by no means are all of them attempts to push that particular envelope in those ways. Look up paintings by decade or composers by decade I'm Wikipedia for a tiny idea of the range.




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Edited again to override my iPhone's evidently astronomy-savvy autocorrect, and change its suggestion "Enceladus" back to my intended "envelope". Weird.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 12, 2012 2:49 pm

Okay, if a bunch of crap stuck on a canvas can be deemed art, I'm still good with my post.
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Post by orpheus » Sat May 12, 2012 2:54 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Okay, if a bunch of crap stuck on a canvas can be deemed art, I'm still good with my post.
Fine, and good luck to you. The rest of us artists will keep working at what we do.
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