US Self Defence nut gets banned from the UK

[Thumpalumpacus]

The US banned Cat Stevens from entering.
They didn't like the words of his song "Peace Train".

That's where he went wrong. "How to inflict pain" would have got him in. Apparently.

I'm pretty sure it's because we already learned our lesson by permitting Celine Dion. 9/11 was just a convenient excuse to rid ourselves of insipid shit.

Never again!

[Thumpalumpacus]

And anyway, you people in the US kept on TRADING with people who backed the fatwah. You didn't mind the oil in your car coming from fatwah supporters. You might get all high and mighty about a singer, but principles go out of the window, if it means dearer gasoline.

You're right, the US is unique in its pragmatism. No other country in the world buys oil while decrying the madrasa those purchases fund.

Yeah, spare me.

[mistermack]

And anyway, you people in the US kept on TRADING with people who backed the fatwah. You didn't mind the oil in your car coming from fatwah supporters. You might get all high and mighty about a singer, but principles go out of the window, if it means dearer gasoline.

You're right, the US is unique in its pragmatism. No other country in the world buys oil while decrying the madrasa those purchases fund.

Yeah, spare me.

I'll spare you, if you can show me where I said the US was the only one.
Otherwise, I'm declaring a fatwah on your infidel soul.

[Seth]

I feel safer already

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002220

That's why I use a pseudonym and keep my actual identity squeaky-clean and non-controversial. That way nitwit border guards don't have a fucking clue how dangerous I really am to their tyranny.

I'm not in the least bit surprised though, since the masters of the British slaves in the UK have already said that no crime victim should resist being victimized, lest it "cause greater injury." They don't say to whom, but given their love for criminals and criminality and their disrespect for the rights and safety of law-abiding individuals, I'm quite sure they mean injury to the criminals.

Hoist on your own petard, every one of you insane Brits, is my opinion. You allowed it to happen, and you allow it to continue, so you deserve everything that happens to you and your children for agreeing complacently to be slaves to your masters in government and willing victims of criminals. It would serve each of you right to have a knife to your throat as you helplessly watch your children being raped before your eyes, and may you spend eternity lamenting your cowardice and servility.

Now go out and eject the tyrants from your government, hang them from the windows of Parliament and retake your nation for individual freedom and liberty like human beings and stop being quivering cowards.

[Thumpalumpacus]

And anyway, you people in the US kept on TRADING with people who backed the fatwah. You didn't mind the oil in your car coming from fatwah supporters. You might get all high and mighty about a singer, but principles go out of the window, if it means dearer gasoline.

You're right, the US is unique in its pragmatism. No other country in the world buys oil while decrying the madrasa those purchases fund.

Yeah, spare me.

I'll spare you, if you can show me where I said the US was the only one.

Did I say that? No. I was simply pointing out selectivism. For all I know, you think all other countries are equally douchey ... but you don't see fit to drag them into this thread. That was my point.

Otherwise, I'm declaring a fatwah on your infidel soul.

Take a number, stand in line. Please have your paperwork ready by the time you reach the window.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I feel safer already

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002220

That's why I use a pseudonym and keep my actual identity squeaky-clean and non-controversial. [...]

stop being quivering cowards.

[FBM]

Well, shit. I have a 3rd degree black belt in Hapkido. My visa request to the UK would be rejected out-of-hand, I gather.

Just as well I got my 2nd dan in Jujitsu right here.

Native dangerous people are a source of pride and defence; foreign dangererous people are homocidal maniacs and a threat to the colony/hive/clan.

[laklak]

How totally unsurprising. After all, getting mugged is just a fact of life in any "civilized" society, right?

[Hermit]

Cat Stevens just endorsed the Koran, which is what most muslims do. He's consistently denied calling for Rushdie's death. He simply confirmed that he supports the Koran, when some reporter pointed out that the Koran says that death is the punishment for Blasphemy.

You must be kidding. From the Wikipedia:

Kingston University

On February 21, 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear - if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]

Newspapers quickly denounced what was seen as Yusuf Islam's support for the killing of Rushdie and the next day Yusuf released a statement saying that he was not personally encouraging anybody to be a vigilante,[2] and that he was only stating that blasphemy is a capital offense according to the Qur'an.
Hypotheticals

Two months later Yusuf Islam appeared on a British television program, BBC's Hypotheticals, an occasional broadcast featuring a panel of notable guests to explore a hypothetical situation with moral, ethical and/or political dilemmas. In the episode ("A Satanic Scenario"), Islam had an exchange about the issue with the moderator and Queens Counsel Geoffrey Robertson.[5][6] Islam would later clarify the exchanges as "stupid and offensive jokes" made "in bad taste", but "part of a well-known British national trait ... dry humour on my part."[1]

Robertson: You don't think that this man deserves to die?
Y. Islam: Who, Salman Rushdie?
Robertson: Yes.
Y. Islam: Yes, yes.
Robertson: And do you have a duty to be his executioner?
Y. Islam: Uh, no, not necessarily, unless we were in an Islamic state and I was ordered by a judge or by the authority to carry out such an act - perhaps, yes.
[Some minutes later, Robertson on the subject of a protest where an effigy of the author is to be burned]
Robertson: Would you be part of that protest, Yusuf Islam, would you go to a demonstration where you knew that an effigy was going to be burned?
Y. Islam: I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing

The New York Times also reports this statement from the program: [If Rushdie turned up at my doorstep looking for help] I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like. I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is.[7]

Later he claimed that he didn't really mean any of that. It was just a joke. Yeah. Right.

Anyway, the prohibition was cancelled after two years.

Edit: It should never have happened in the first place. Having nutty ideas is not sufficient reason for it. Acting on them is. Same goes for that martial arts expert. It is one thing to say physical pain and damage on attackers ought to be maximised when one defends oneself, but quite another to actually do that.

[Audley Strange]

'Basic or natural rights' thats on my ideal ban list as well, anyone who uses the word patriot or liberty should be shot at the border

Nah they wouldn't be though. You've made it clear before you have a extreme fear of guns and will serve any wretch in power. Mostly likely if you were in charge you'd be deposed in minutes and be made into a human pinata by the peasantry who'd been riled up by the landed because you want to urbanise rural areas with cheap housing for the benefit of said peasants.

On topic, no fucking wonder Seth berates this country. We should rename it Isle of Pussies and I'm not even a fan of such testosterone saturated nonsense, it always seems less about crisis preparedness and more about ego masturbation.

[Svartalf]

How totally unsurprising. After all, getting mugged is just a fact of life in any "civilized" society, right?

Take it in stride and with a stiff upper lip (or fat lip as the case arises), no unladylike behavior allowed of law abiding citizens.

[MrJonno]

'Basic or natural rights' thats on my ideal ban list as well, anyone who uses the word patriot or liberty should be shot at the border

Nah they wouldn't be though. You've made it clear before you have a extreme fear of guns and will serve any wretch in power. Mostly likely if you were in charge you'd be deposed in minutes and be made into a human pinata by the peasantry who'd been riled up by the landed because you want to urbanise rural areas with cheap housing for the benefit of said peasants.

On topic, no fucking wonder Seth berates this country. We should rename it Isle of Pussies and I'm not even a fan of such testosterone saturated nonsense, it always seems less about crisis preparedness and more about ego masturbation.

Having soldiers with guns seems a reasonable use to me, I have zero desire to run a car never mind a country far too stressful

[mistermack]

Did I say that? No. I was simply pointing out selectivism. For all I know, you think all other countries are equally douchey ... but you don't see fit to drag them into this thread. That was my point.

Well, since the subject was Britain refusing an American entry, and I pointed out that the USA refused a Brit entry, I can't see where I've been selective. Relevant is more the word I would choose.

I just pointed out that the USA banned him, but was still happy to trade with Fatwah supporters.
Why would I have to list all the other countries that did? It would make the post very long and very irrelevant.

[Robert_S]

Cat Stevens just endorsed the Koran, which is what most muslims do. He's consistently denied calling for Rushdie's death. He simply confirmed that he supports the Koran, when some reporter pointed out that the Koran says that death is the punishment for Blasphemy.

You must be kidding. From the Wikipedia:

Kingston University

On February 21, 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear - if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]

Newspapers quickly denounced what was seen as Yusuf Islam's support for the killing of Rushdie and the next day Yusuf released a statement saying that he was not personally encouraging anybody to be a vigilante,[2] and that he was only stating that blasphemy is a capital offense according to the Qur'an.
Hypotheticals

Two months later Yusuf Islam appeared on a British television program, BBC's Hypotheticals, an occasional broadcast featuring a panel of notable guests to explore a hypothetical situation with moral, ethical and/or political dilemmas. In the episode ("A Satanic Scenario"), Islam had an exchange about the issue with the moderator and Queens Counsel Geoffrey Robertson.[5][6] Islam would later clarify the exchanges as "stupid and offensive jokes" made "in bad taste", but "part of a well-known British national trait ... dry humour on my part."[1]

Robertson: You don't think that this man deserves to die?
Y. Islam: Who, Salman Rushdie?
Robertson: Yes.
Y. Islam: Yes, yes.
Robertson: And do you have a duty to be his executioner?
Y. Islam: Uh, no, not necessarily, unless we were in an Islamic state and I was ordered by a judge or by the authority to carry out such an act - perhaps, yes.
[Some minutes later, Robertson on the subject of a protest where an effigy of the author is to be burned]
Robertson: Would you be part of that protest, Yusuf Islam, would you go to a demonstration where you knew that an effigy was going to be burned?
Y. Islam: I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing

The New York Times also reports this statement from the program: [If Rushdie turned up at my doorstep looking for help] I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like. I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is.[7]

Later he claimed that he didn't really mean any of that. It was just a joke. Yeah. Right.

Anyway, the prohibition was cancelled after two years.

Edit: It should never have happened in the first place. Having nutty ideas is not sufficient reason for it. Acting on them is. Same goes for that martial arts expert. It is one thing to say physical pain and damage on attackers ought to be maximised when one defends oneself, but quite another to actually do that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-wjxwpvqps

First he says he wouldn't do it unless he was ordered by a judge, then he says he'd like to be part of a mob burning the author alive. He wants to kill, but doesn't want to take responsibility for his bloodlust.

He voluntarily became a Muslim. I might have some sympathy if he had been raised that way his entire childhood. But he wasn't. Until Yusuf says "Sorry, I seem to have gone a little bonkers for a while, please forgive me", he can fuck right off.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well, since the subject was Britain refusing an American entry, and I pointed out that the USA refused a Brit entry, I can't see where I've been selective. Relevant is more the word I would choose.

I just pointed out that the USA banned him, but was still happy to trade with Fatwah supporters.
Why would I have to list all the other countries that did? It would make the post very long and very irrelevant.

Britain still trades with America, no? Perfidious Albion!