UN to US: Give it back to the natives.

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UN to US: Give it back to the natives.

Post by FBM » Sat May 05, 2012 5:37 am

I'm all for doing the right thing wrt the the native peoples of N. America, but does anyone else see the potential for a slippery slope in this? I mean, there's a lot of the U.S. and Canadia that was taken by very shady means...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17966113

UN official calls for US return of native land
A UN special rapporteur has called for the US to restore tribal lands, including the Black Hills of South Dakota, site of Mount Rushmore.

James Anaya announced the recommendation at the end of a 12-day tour, during which he met tribal leaders and government officials.

"The sense of loss, alienation and indignity is pervasive throughout Indian Country," Mr Anaya said.

He met with tribes in seven states on reservations and in urban areas.

The trip, Mr Anaya's first tour of Native American lands, was to determine how the United States is faring on the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

President Barack Obama endorsed the declaration in 2010, reversing a previous US vote against it.

'Restorative'

Mr Anaya used the Black Hills, located in South Dakota near reservations that are home to the Oglala Sioux tribes, as an example of land restoration.

"I'm talking about restoring to indigenous peoples what obviously they're entitled to and they have a legitimate claim to in a way that is not divisive but restorative," he said.

The Black Hills are public land but are considered sacred by the Sioux tribes. The area, as well as other lands, were set aside for the tribes in an 1868 treaty.

Nine years later, Congress passed a law taking the land.

The Sioux refused to accept a 1980 monetary award from the US Supreme Court, calling for the return of the Black Hills.

The reservations near the Black Hills are some of the most poverty-stricken areas in the US, with extremely high rates of unemployment and much lower than average life expectancy.

Mr Anaya cited ongoing systemic and individual racial discrimination as common themes in his discussions with community leaders.

He said ideas that native populations were gone, wanted handouts or that their culture has been reduced to casinos were "flatly wrong".

Mr Anaya will make formal recommendations in a report to be released in September.

The UN fact-finder said he had met members of the Obama administration and briefed the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs, but was unable to meet individuals members of Congress.

He said that he typically meets individual legislators during his tours of countries but said he did not know the reason why that had not happened in the US.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sat May 05, 2012 6:08 am

Send for the US if the UN is ineffective here? :smoke:
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Post by FBM » Sat May 05, 2012 6:14 am

By gum, I'll bet Uncle Sam wouldn't put up with any lip from...the Americans... :ask:
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Sat May 05, 2012 6:20 am

I don't have a problem returning sites like the Paha Sapa back to the tribes. Given that Dr Anaya drafted the Declaration mentioned in the article, it's hardly surprising that he should do it in the framework of American history.

I question the ability of any country to return seized territories "in a way that is not divisive but restorative," though. The "non-natives" displaced by such a policy weren't party to the seizures, and stripping them of their own land would seem to be punishing them for what is surely an accident of birth. With that being the case, I could see a compromise involving the return of grounds held sacred historically, but not all lands. The latter is certainly unrealistic.

It would be nice to see the UN apply these standards to other countries equably, too.
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Post by redunderthebed » Sat May 05, 2012 6:34 am

It happens in Australia with mixed results it doesn't result in Australia of ethnic cleansing whitefellas not exclusively however are employed to run centrelink local shop pub etc but are employed by local land council/corporations and they own it and whatever housing it has on its land.

I find it interesting they call their committee on this issue an indian affair committee or is that an mistake on behalf of mr anaya or the journo? :ask: I though indian was considered a racial slur? :?
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Post by Seabass » Sat May 05, 2012 6:46 am

FBM wrote:I'm all for doing the right thing wrt the the native peoples of N. America, but does anyone else see the potential for a slippery slope in this? I mean, there's a lot of the U.S. and Canadia entire goddamn planet that was taken by very shady means...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17966113
FIFY.

Maybe we should just give the planet back to single celled prokaryotes, because that's where this sort of nonsense is headed.
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Post by FBM » Sat May 05, 2012 6:47 am

I don't think "Indian" a racial slur, it's just perpetuating an old error. Native North American or something would be more accurate.
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Post by Seabass » Sat May 05, 2012 6:48 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote:It would be nice to see the UN apply these standards to other countries equably, too.
The U.S. is the only country that has ever taken land from indigenous people. FACT.
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Post by FBM » Sat May 05, 2012 7:04 am

Seabass wrote:
Thumpalumpacus wrote:It would be nice to see the UN apply these standards to other countries equably, too.
The U.S. is the only country that has ever taken land from indigenous people. FACT.
If everybody went back to their ancestral lands, we'd all eventually wind up back in Africa...
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Post by Tyrannical » Sat May 05, 2012 7:41 am

Those Indians always want things both ways. They like to claim sovereignty, but they also like to enjoy US citizenship, government benefits, and free travel through the US.

If I recall correctly, Indians hold US citizenship and voting rights only through federal law, and that can be revoked. They have no constitutional right to US citizenship.
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Post by FBM » Sat May 05, 2012 8:00 am

How do they enjoy US citizenship, Tyr?
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Sat May 05, 2012 8:50 am

Seabass wrote:
Thumpalumpacus wrote:It would be nice to see the UN apply these standards to other countries equably, too.
The U.S. is the only country that has ever taken land from indigenous people. FACT.
Shit, stupid me, I forgot.
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Post by Jesus_of_Nazareth » Sat May 05, 2012 9:41 am

The correct term is Injun.

Red Injun.



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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 05, 2012 10:25 am

"We don't own the land, white man, we live with it."

:sigh: The UN should relocate to a new site fifty miles due east of the current location.
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Re: UN to US: Give it back to the natives.

Post by mistermack » Sat May 05, 2012 10:41 am

The UN man can call for it, because he knows it will never happen.

How about the UN calling for Palestine to be given back to the natives?
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