mistermack wrote:maiforpeace wrote:kiki5711 wrote:Why do you claim that it is highly likely that Zimmerman grabbed Martin? Why is it not likely that Martin grabbed Zimmerman? Why is one more likely to you than the other?
yes coito, why, why is it that your version seems to be more credible than anyone elses?

Considering that Zimmerman himself told the 911 operator that the "asshole" was running away, and we have HEARD Zimmerman running after him, and you've heard his own voice say "these assholes always get away", I would think it's perfectly obvious that Zimmerman was going to grab him if he got the chance.
Maybe. Of course, it's at that point that the dispatcher says "we don't need you to do that..." [i.e. follow him] and Zimmerman says "o.k." and the sounds you hear on the tape indicating he is running/moving stop. Then Zimmerman indicates that Martin ran away. Then there is plenty of time for Martin to move the few dozen yards and get out of there. But, he stays around and that would seem to be at least as much of an indication that Martin was going to grab Zimmerman...
So, again, why is one possibility more likely than the other? Just feeling? Is there reasonable doubt as to EITHER possibility?
mistermack wrote:
Otherwise, what's the point of chasing him? How is he proposing to prevent this "asshole" from getting away? And why is Martin running away, if he wants to grab Zimmerman?
By all means this doesn't prove it 100%, but how the fuck can anyone say that both are equally likely?
Only if your name's Coito.
Not "only" if your name is Coito. FBM appears to not jump to unsubstantiated conclusions in the manner you advocate.
What's the point of "chasing" (or, "following") Martin initially? To keep an eye on him would be one good reason, and to be able to point him out to police when the police get there.
Speaking of what's the point. What's the point of Zimmerman calling the police if he just wanted to kill him a nigger?
And, apparently, Martin did not actually "run away." He went out of sight, but hung around and waited when he had plenty of time to leave the vicinity (and leaving the vicinity is what you and others have claimed that Martin was intending to do with his skittles all along...). Why would Martin be doing that?